Sentencing Of Legally Compliant Medical Marijuana Providers Highlights Harmful Obama Policy

[OG Fire Beaster]

Do you guys get this upset when someone uses a car to commit a crime? Are they giving all licensed drivers a bad name when that happens? Everyone who uses or possesses is just as guilty. There may be different sentencing guidelines, but the guilt is the same. The State didn't prosecute them, the feds did.

[bobandtorey]

Anyone can go and read the court transcripts

i don't think just anyone can read them it would cost you a lot of $$$ to be able to and i do agree that we or i don't know the true story here 

and thats why i do go to people's court days one time someone came to a club meeting and had ask us all to support him in court so a lot of people did only to find out at the hearing  that their where other drugs he was using 

[Celliach]

No, it costs you money to get copies.  Anyone can access the transcripts for free.

[GregS]

This is a direct consequence of the war on drugs. It is old news that the prohibition over the last several decades drives the cost of the drug and becomes an incentive to make some fast money. The tables are turning, and said prohibition is no longer on the public's short list to continue, but is now considered to be counter to our best interests. The government's stubborn complicity in ensuring that it continue is more at fault in this, or for that matter any drug charge, than any defendant's part in a prosecution. We know this, and reports are that the people are aware of the waste.

 

I will not wring my hands over this or any prosecution, but continue in the work to bring it to an end. Anything else is just killin' time.

[bobandtorey]

some will say that these people and others that our jailed is just the way it has to be to be able to move on (to get what we all want)

Freedom to use marihuana for medical reasons 

or just to be able to say the words medical in front of a jury and that has not happen as of today 6/15/2013

 

i know of no case that has maid it to a jury in Michigan we where almost their 

[Celliach]

You do realize that the defendant gets to choose whether he goes before a jury or not.  Why didn't you choose a jury if you're so confident they would have acquitted you?

[bobandtorey]

i am sorry do you know about our case?

did you see the video of our case?

we where not going to get a jury no one has been able to get a jury

they won't let you get to a jury and say medical marihuana 

i am sure you know that you are a leader here

[bobandtorey]

You do realize that the defendant gets to choose whether he goes before a jury or not.  Why didn't you choose a jury if you're so confident they would have acquitted you?

it is still up to the judge if you get one or not

[Celliach]

No Bob, you have the constitutional right to a jury for any crime that you can get sentenced to six months or more.  Chief Justice Berger was presiding over the Supreme Court when the ruling was made, so it's nothing new.  No judge can keep you from a jury trial unless it's punishable only by a fine or less than six months in jail.

 

.....and yes, I am familiar with your trial, that you decided to take before a judge rather than jury.

 

...and yes, I do know that I'm a leader here.  That's why I always make sure to give accurate legal advice.

[bobandtorey]

OK then why did they stop it even the C.O.A said we could have one over 2 years ago  but we still couldn't have used the word medical marihuana 

[bobandtorey]

You do realize that the defendant gets to choose whether he goes before a jury or not.  Why didn't you choose a jury if you're so confident they would have acquitted you?

because thats not the way things are (oakland county)  if so why haven't we seen one case yet?

[OG Fire Beaster]

So it is more of an issue of having a "fair" jury trial, rather than just a jury trial.

[bobandtorey]

Yes thats how it is imho 

[bobandtorey]

No, it costs you money to get copies.  Anyone can access the transcripts for free.

i disagree if so post them or post a link so that others here may read them 

[OG Fire Beaster]

agreed. The deck is definitely stacked.

[Celliach]

Here's your link Bob:

http://www.foia.gov/

 

You only have to pay for copies.  You can read them for free within the offices of the governmental branch, administrative or legal, in which the documents are kept.

[Celliach]

If Oakland County is keeping you from a jury trial for any offense punishable by more than six months, you should get a lawyer and sue them, Bob.  They can't go against a supreme court ruling.

 

 

 

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Right+to+Trial+by+an+Impartial+Jury

The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution affords criminal defendants seven discrete personal liberties: (1) the right to aSpeedy Trial; (2) the right to a public trial; (3) the right to an impartial jury; (4) the right to be informed of pending charges; (5) the right to confront and to cross-examine adverse witnesses; (6) the right to compel favorable witnesses to testify at trial through the subpoena power of the judiciary; and (7) the right to legal counsel. Ratified in 1791, the Sixth Amendment originally applied only to criminal actions brought by the federal government.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Over the past century, all of the protections guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment have been made applicable to the state governments through the doctrine of selective incorporation. Under this doctrine, the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment require each state to recognize certain fundamental liberties that are enumerated in the Bill of Rights because such liberties are deemed essential to the concepts of freedom and equality. Together with the Supremacy Clause of Article VI, the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits any state from providing less protection for a right conferred by the Sixth Amendment than is provided under the federal Constitution.

[bobandtorey]

i see you have to go to the office of the court house?

[Celliach]

Yes, that's what I said in the beginning, Bob.  Go back and read the post.  

 

Many records are actually available on-line, but not all.

[bobandtorey]

 

If Oakland County is keeping you from a jury trial for any offense punishable by more than six months, you should get a lawyer and sue them, Bob.  They can't go against a supreme court ruling.

 

 

 

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Right+to+Trial+by+an+Impartial+Jury

The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution affords criminal defendants seven discrete personal liberties: (1) the right to aSpeedy Trial; (2) the right to a public trial; (3) the right to an impartial jury; (4) the right to be informed of pending charges; (5) the right to confront and to cross-examine adverse witnesses; (6) the right to compel favorable witnesses to testify at trial through the subpoena power of the judiciary; and (7) the right to legal counsel. Ratified in 1791, the Sixth Amendment originally applied only to criminal actions brought by the federal government.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Over the past century, all of the protections guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment have been made applicable to the state governments through the doctrine of selective incorporation. Under this doctrine, the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment require each state to recognize certain fundamental liberties that are enumerated in the Bill of Rights because such liberties are deemed essential to the concepts of freedom and equality. Together with the Supremacy Clause of Article VI, the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits any state from providing less protection for a right conferred by the Sixth Amendment than is provided under the federal Constitution.

Am sorry i am getting caught up into saying to much already i must wait a few more day's until i can say what i need to say