System Abuse Poll

[phaquetoo]

The Wonderful thing of FREEDOM of SPPECH ...

 

If a Mod would of removed this post ,

We would of never heard the end of it ...

 

So the Best i could do was to edit the poll

and add " Not One Person "

 

There are a few post that i don't agree

w/ But , What can i do ?

 

If i did know of anyone that got certified that

is abusing the System , Who am I to judge ?

 

I'm Glad for them ...

 

I would'nt care if Everyone in Michigan got certified ... +10 From phaq

 

 

uh oh I totaly agree with you! your in trouble now!

Peace

FTW

Jim

[phaquetoo]

I'm not sure I understand this thread. Is it a poll? Or a discussion about judging illness by appearance?

Well, either way, abuse of the system is rampant, of course.

And, just the other day I screwed up, as dad and I were going to wallyworld, some kid whips in front of us, last handicapped spot.

As I'm cussing looking for the guy walking in the store, he is there at the bench helping up obviously grandpa, in super bad shape!

Sorry dude.

 

 

It can be what ever you want the thread to be about within reason! (you pick it ill go with it) I beleive it is about abuse of the system or non abuse of the system, and Im thinkin most peeps are not using the poll, or are not realy being honest,,Prob not a good poll to have, or a few things should be added, there are many ways people think the system is being abused, the arrest of inocent people, the confiscation of meds and grow equipt. people getting certified w/o real conditions, bad c.g's. Would that all be about abusing the system?

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[+Jennifer8]

I see LEO voted

 

LEO offenders don't even have to pay for a doctor, don't have to pay and wait for a card, and they don't have to even purchase it....too many just TAKE IT from other people to get it and use it, period.

[+Jennifer8]

This is something i have been giving some thought to lately. There are psych theories that posit that people with alcohol and other drug problems are actually "self-medicating" to alleviate some suffering they are experiencing. People that are not registered patients ARE medicating. everyone knows this. But, what is important to note, is that many of those people are self-medicating. and the Affirmative Defense was made for these people. i self-medicated with cannabis years ago. i was then able to work through the personal issues i was self-medicating for. But, now i use it legally to manage physical pain.

 

Judges sometimes are aware of and address some defendants, certainly not applying this to all of them, and referred to the unlawful use of various substances as "self medicating" to defendants when talking to defendants, usually and unfortunately as a secondary factor to the reason the defendant was in court to begin with --- the underlying factor that caused or was a part of the primary problem that resulted in a criminal act.

 

Many of these addressed "self medicators" even state they are/were "self medicating", but instead of the system directing them to get seen by a doctor to then diagnose and PROPERLY medicate, the system directs said person's to the opposite, which are costly substance abuse programs, incarceration, abstaining from, and group sessions.

 

Much of this comes from those in a lower income level that prohibits an avenue of actual help, lack of reaching the right doctors and specialist to even properly DIAGNOSE certain medical, neurological, learning disabilities, and or physiological conditions/disorders. Other reasons are because they just got sacked into an often low educated family that has a limited ability to know how to (or even care to) deal with such matters.

 

With no health care insurance, no means to see a GOOD specialist, no means to afford the right kind of medical and counseling options, and no job that allows good benefits, due to the initial problems a person has that often will prevent a person from having the ability to be able to focus on a better education, certification, trade, i.e. to sustain a decent job -- be it anger disorders, attention deficit disorders, chronic pain issues, anxiety, learning and reading disabilities, and on and on and on.

 

So, high risk potential and repeat offenders have issues that are not being rightfully and properly dealt with often from before they become offenders. There are people just not getting the right help from the beginning. Those people tend to hang with individuals that also have problems, because the effected individuals are having trouble not fitting into a more positive social group, eventually the group they end up hanging with are again, more high risk potentials. They can go down the wrong roads with the wrong people because they are not in a position and not in an environment that has the means to get them the proper help, guidance, and resources more helpful.

 

Many, but not all, factors can be genetic, which means they are born into and being raised in an environment that harbors untreated and more "self medicating" people, which can also mean other high risk and negative behavior adding to the problem.

 

With too many, the low income category are the ones society and many, but not all, upper income people do not care about, want to see go away, and too easily look down their noses on feeling they wouldn't be in their situation if they were not "lazy", "losers", "a worthless/bad kid" and or "stupid", which, in reality, is just not always the factual case, but selfish and snotty people could care less about what the underlying reasons often are. Thus, it all goes back to a type of hateful and unfair judgmental shallow reasoning of why some people do what they do.

 

Personally, I believe many people incarcerated are often undiagnosed with various medical conditions and disabilities that didn't have a chance based on who's crotch they got pulled out of.

 

There is a big discrimination against those with emotional disorders. Too many, still, don't want to see those conditions and solid ailments like with a medical condition or there may be solid medical conditions society wants to keep in the "mental" category, which often prevents treatment from various health care providers.

[+420Atheist]

The Wonderful thing of FREEDOM of SPPECH ...

 

If a Mod would of removed this post ,

We would of never heard the end of it ...

 

So the Best i could do was to edit the poll

and add " Not One Person "

 

There are a few post that i don't agree

w/ But , What can i do ?

 

If i did know of anyone that got certified that

is abusing the System , Who am I to judge ?

 

I'm Glad for them ...

 

I would'nt care if Everyone in Michigan got certified ...

 

I don't think you should remove the poll. I agree with the freedom of speech comment. However my comment is intended to push people into either not voting or voting that they don't know anyone who abuses the system. I don't want to give LEO any ammunition. Some things should just be unsaid by us. For example you don't see the beer distributors in CA saying they are against legalization because it will hut their profits. They just quietly funnel dollars into the "No on 19" campaign fund. If they would admit the truth it would greatly weaken their position.

 

For all our differences in this group there are some commonly held beliefs like that no one should go to prison for cannabis possession. This is one of those things that we should just all know an leave unsaid. The fact that a medical web site was pro legalization was all ready used by the Oakland sheriff in an interview to make it appear we alternative motives.

 

Voting anything other than "not one person" can only hurt the cause.

 

This is a war on drugs so turn to the experts on how to win it.

 

Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt. Sun Tzu

[westmich]

Everyone and no one.

[Bandit]

Their will always be people that abuse something that was ment to help.I worked for Chrysler for 32 years and saw more abuses than you would believe.People taking home $1000 + minus taxes on food stamps,buying handicap parking stickers cause they are to overweight to walk or just lazy.I know that people are abusing the medical marijuana but as long as those that need it can get it the program works.

[LITLJON]

Boy it's a good thing no more REP. points I would be drowning in NEG. ones. I originally posted this to get a feel of the tolerance(tolerance isn't the right word but) for abuse on the site. Not necessarily this kind of abuse; I know a card holder (P/CG) that grossly abuses the system by selling to a certain group of (young) people and it really bothers me. I know that I can not control it but it's really under my skin.