Clone Help

[jonh420]

i have a mother that has been toped a while ago so the top has 2 branches comming out of it i wanted to take 2 clones .it is like 3 feet tall right now and i kinda just want to get rid of it and start over with one of the clones that i will be cutting.i have olivias rooting gel,rockwool cubes, and ro water.what would be the best way to clone this plant .i have never cloned before

[GanjaWarrior]

give me a sec n ill put up a good method....u should take clones from the bottom if possible

[jonh420]

i know the bottom is best.but will it work for the top branches

[Mememe]

Top ones take longer and some have lower success rate. If your just going to start over, why not take cuttings from the bottom and then flower the rest?

[jonh420]

i would but there are no bottom branches only 2 comming out of the top.i got a hand me down mother.its just to tall for my garden.

[Kingdiamond]

I have cloned toppings that i took from plants going into flowering that were too tall it did take a week or so longer to show roots but you can take clones from anywhere on your plants.

[jonh420]

sweet thanks ill give it a try

[Kingdiamond]

sweet thanks ill give it a try

After months of struggling with rockwool and rapid rooter plugs i built a small bubble cloner which consists of 4 neoprene inserts and a gallon sized tote i covered it entirely to protect the roots from light and went to walmart and bought a double line air pump .

 

It usually took me two maybe three weeks to see roots now i can root clones in less than 10 days.

 

1 gallon tote

 

4 neoprene inserts

 

1 hole saw just a tad smaller than the inserts for a snug fit

 

Duct tape metal tape anything to black out the reservoir.

 

 

[jonh420]

what kind of water are you using and can you explain the cloning process,i am new at this .did you use rooting gel/hormone,ect

[jonh420]

where do i get neoprine inserts at.i live in central mich

[jonh420]

where do i get neoprine inserts at.i live in central mich

[jonh420]

where do i get neoprine inserts at.i live in central mich

[jonh420]

thanks for any help

[Grow Thread]

hi john

 

ok.......... cloning.

 

if you have the money............. go with an aerocloner......... either store bought or self-built.

 

if you don't have that kind of $ at the moment............... here's your plan:

i typed this up for the grow journal, but i figure i might as well post it here and link to it in the table of contents so i can find it in the future

 

ROCKWOOL CLONING

 

well, since we have the whole budget theme going already, let's take some clones without the use of a fancy machine.

 

i use rockwool cubes. the last time i went to the hydro store to buy some they were out of stock so i purchased one of the big 6" x 6" x 6" cubes and cut it up myself. i think i ended up getting 48 cubes out of that $4 block so thats like 8 cents a clone or something. thats budget. i am using r.o. water just because i have it, but tapwater would work just fine here as long as you set it set out overnight in an open container to let chlorine evaporate.

 

 

some cubes:

 

 

many people say to soak them for 24 hours or whatever, but this isnt necessary IMO. i do soak them for about an hour though. no need to do anything crazy with the ph. 7.0 is fine. if using tapwater, assuming its not nuclear waste, your ph will probably be in the mid 7's. this will work as well. remember, this is budget cloning and will take an extra couple days compared to an expensive aerocloner. we are cutting corners, and saving tons of money, but at the expensive of a little time. this strain will show roots in 9-11 days using this method.

 

1/2 hour soak:

 

 

 

obviously, the bowl has been cleaned and so have your scissors right?

 

ok, our journal plant. im taking the bottom set of branches off again:

 

 

 

i make the cut with scissors right at the main stem and put the cutting into a cup of water (r.o., or day-old tapwater again).

once we have both the bottom branches we are ready to get to work:

 

 

 

both of these branches are pretty good sized with thick strong stems so i am going to take 2 clones off of each one. i could take more probably, but they would have thin stems and would take longer to catch up to the others in growth. as far as prepping the rockwool, just take it out of the bowl and let it drip/drain. if you have pre-packaged cubes they will have a hole already in them. i find this hole is usually too small so i widen it a little. since i cut my own cubes off of one huge one, i dont have any holes. this isnt rocket science. i just take the scissors and stab them about 3/4 of the way through the cube. a hole that is a little too big is better than too small. ok, lets cut up the branch.

 

you can see where i cut this one:

 

 

 

cut off/strip any fan leaves or extra branches that are not needed. then we are ready to take the actual clone. make those cuts (above) at a 45 degree angle with the sharpest, cleanest scissors or razor knife you can find. after making the cut, i take the edge of the scissors and scrape at the flesh over the entire bottom 1/2 inch or so of the stem. this can be a little scary, but once again, it isnt rocket science, and less is better. i just scrape the very top layer of flesh off. scraping too much will do too much damage and cause the stem to become limp and unusable.

 

very difficult to get a picture but just a light scraping is all you need:

 

 

 

 

ok, we are just about there now. insert into the rockwool cube.

 

 

repeat, and with less than a dollar you have a little family of clones ready to root.

 

 

 

 

 

i have an empty corner in my veg room where this little tray will go. no need for special lighting. they will grow roots under the same light that mom(journal plant) is growing under....... just way further away.

 

watering............... here is where an expensive aerocloner is nice. plug it in and check back later.

not in our case. for our 8 cent clones we must be very avid about keeping an eye on them until they root. letting the rockwool dry out completely will kill the cuttings very quickly. keeping it sopping wet will not allow the necessary air in for forming roots. moist is what you are looking for. there is no "rule of thumb" as to when to water because every room runs at a different temp/humidity and therefore mine may dry out twice as fast as yours. just make sure they stay moist

 

in my room, i usually need to water them once a day. same type of water we have been using all along. r.o. or day old tapwater at 7.0 or whatever is fine.

 

in 9-11 days we will see roots coming out the sides of the rockwool. at this time they are ready for planting. if you are planting into bubblebuckets you will need to start them off on half strength nutes right away for a couple days. if you grow in soil, your dirt should have enough nutrients in it already to sustain them for a period of time. once they are planted, you can then move them closer to the light and once they grow the first set of new leaves the veg period is on!!

 

 

your success rate is going to depend on your ability to keep the rockwool moist and clean. in an open bowl like this, the cubes are prone to "catching" things out of the air that can be harmful. with a little practice you will be cloning on the cheap without any problem. if you are afraid you will forget to water them, you may want to try this:

 

 

CLONING WITH THE BUBBLEBUCKET/TOTE

 

 

 

a bubblebucket is a cloner as well. it's that simple. it is an all-in-one machine

here is a very crude and undesirable sketch of our bubblebucket. we see the plant, rooted in a yellow rockwool cube, surrounded by hydroton clay pebbles. the cube and hydroton are sitting in the net pot, and you can see the air stone/bubbles (in red) and the proper level at which to keep your nutrient/water solution.

 

ok, stop laughing.

 

 

so we have our cutting planted in the rockwool cube. drop it in the netpot and cover with clay pebbles and get the whole setup into your bubblebucket. at this point the bucket should have clean water only in it.

 

if you keep the water level about 1/8 to 1/4 of an inch below the bottom of the net pot, you have reached the sweet spot. the air stone in the bottom of the bubblebucket will shoot air bubbles upwards through the water. when these bubbles reach the surface they pop. the goal is to find the perfect level to where the net pot is not sitting in the water, but actually the bubbles are popping on the surface and just getting the bottom of the net pot wet. once the bottom of the net pot gets wet, it will transfer that moisture to the bottom layer of hydroton pebbles. the pebbles then transfer the perfect amount of water/air between themselves and eventually to the rockwool cube. the cube will stay damp, but not "soaked". depending on strain, humidity, and temp, the roots will begin to form in 4 days to 2 weeks.

 

once the roots form and grow through the rockwool cube, they will continue growing through the clay pebbles, and then through the sides of the net pot, and ultimately down to thrive in the nute/air filled goodness of the solution. once they get through the sides of the net pot and become visible for the first time, i change from clean water to veg nutes at 1/2 strength for a couple days, and then bump to regular strength.

 

 

hope this helps a little. just trying to show that there is no need for a cloning machine or anything else to take up space or money. if you use the bubblebucket, it is the only thing you need from the day you cut the clone to the day you cut the whole thing down.

[jonh420]

great help .i am using bubble buckets right now so i will probably try the bubble cloner.

[Kingdiamond]

what kind of water are you using and can you explain the cloning process,i am new at this .did you use rooting gel/hormone,ect

Pure water no nutes no rooting hormones .

 

You can go ahead and build the tote BG displays here it allows you to go straight into flowering using the same tote im a dirt grower so all i want is rooted clones to put in solo cups the tote plus inserts less than $5 as far as the inserts go ebay or any hydro store will carry them.

[Grow Thread]

as usual kingdiamond has it right.

 

+rep

[jonh420]

in the bubble cloner ,would i be able to use 5 inch net pots or how do you transfer the plants to a bigger net pot.i am only going to be cloning 2 at a time,2 mothers ,8 flowering.=12 legal .or is there a better way to make it more perpetual.eventially i will just have 1 mother

[Grow Thread]

when they are in here:

 

they are in 3" net pot. BIG difference between net pots and mesh pots:

 

there's some good info in here about net pots for early stage:

AEROCLONERS AND WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR CLONES

 

 

ok, i have been hit with this misconception more than twice over the last week, so im gonna correct it right now

 

when cloning with an aerocloner, you DO NOT go into rockwool after they are rooted.

 

ok, here's a daisy cloner (aerocloner):

 

after 4-15 days depending on strain and what stage of life the "mother" was in, you will see roots like these:

 

 

 

once they have a good root showing its time to do something about it. normally, if i am going straight into a 5" net pot and into a bubbletote i will let the clone go another day or 2 past the pics above.............. but to conserve space, i have a "junior high school" for them to visit first sometimes. if they are going to junior high, this is the time to do it.

 

in junior high i line a 3" net pot with a single layer of pebbles, and then put the clone in gently. stand her straight up and fill the pebbles in around the edges. here is the junior high tote with 1/2 strength nutes in it for our lil' babies:

 

after a few days in junior high, our plants begin to grow some roots. notice i use the net pots and not the mesh pots for this stage. if you use the net pots, the holes in the sides are much larger, and you will have the ability to retrieve your plant much easier. if you use a mesh pot, or if you get to your net pot too late and the roots have already secured themselves to the pot, i just plant the whole 3" pot inside the 5" pot and fill around the edges with hydroton.

 

but if you do it right, you will catch your junior high plant at just about this stage:

 

from here you can dump out the pebbles, retrieve your clone, and transplant into a 5" mesh pot in a regular bubblebucket or bubbletote:

 

and with the right strain, nutes, and attention, after another 16 days you will have this:

[jonh420]

i know ive said this a bunch of time,but you are the best.keep up the good work.great info.