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Naturally Decarbed Buds - Flowers Alternative To Decarbed Concentrates



Well, since I stumbled upon my naturally decarbed concentrated cannabis oil, I wanted to try some buds that should be naturally decarbed. I had some that had been stored for about 4 months or a bit longer. I had been meaning to do it, but got a bit lazy about it since I enjoy the oil so much. With the naturally decarbed oil it makes it even more difficult. I discuss the naturally decarbed oil in my concentrates blog http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/blog/532/entry-1098-rso-qwiso-qwet-and-naturally-decarbed-sap-tincture-concentrates-by-grow-goddess/#commentsStart


Anyway, the reason why it is so difficult for me to do the bud test is that since I have been taking the naturally decarbed oil, for me to clean up, will take at least 3 days. With RSO, it only takes a day or two. Even though the oils are similar in potency, for some reason the naturally decarbed oil seems to last twice as long as the RSO.


So, I cleaned up now for a good three days. It has been painful to say the least, but, I need to know. My first day eating the decarbed buds, I only ate a joints worth. I rolled a good size joint of strawberry cough, cut it into four pieces, and swallowed each piece after forming it into a pill size, with a gulp of water. Nothing really happened right away. About 4 or so hours later, I felt a buzz creeping up then hit me kind of hard. It faded and I went to bed not sure if it was still effects from the oil or from ingesting the buds. I told myself I would know the next day for sure.


The next day: I ate about the same size joint in the same manner, same strain, SC. I was surprised I think I had a little buzz in the morning when I woke up. I believe it was lingering effects from the joint I ate the day before. Not 100% positive though. So, after eating my joint in the morning, again, I felt a stronger buzz come up and hit me three hours later. It was certainly from the buds. That is just eating a joint. It is now 7:30 pm, I ate the joint at about 7:00 am, and I am still feeling the buzz. This SC that I rolled my joints with is some of my top shelf buds. It is four months old. I am guessing I will still feel the effects in the morning like I did from the joint the day before.


I am kind of surprised, but it does make sense. A maintenance dose of the ND Sap oil lasts about 24 hours, sometimes longer, and that would be about a joint's worth of bud. So It would make sense that a joint worth of bud would offer the same quality of buzz that the oil does, or at least around the same potency.


First impression: I prefer the ND Sap. I am not sure if I prefer the RSO or decarbed bud yet. It will take another day or two of sampling.


If the bud does last 24 hours, one joint worth, I would have to say it is more medicinal than RSO in my opinion. The buds should contain all of the medicinal properties. Unlike most oils, the bud will contain the red oil which is water soluble. Who knows what medicinal properties are in the red oil.


Here are a couple of pictures of the red oil. This red oil is not in RSO or ND Sap, but it is in the bud that I have been eating.

Shot glass with frozen red oil

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Red oil after water evaporated out




Now I am not saying to try to manage cancer with buds instead of RSO. I have no idea if decarbed buds would be as effective. What I am saying is ingesting decarbed buds looks promising. Whether it is for preventative maintenance or simply pain relief, also, legal reasons (MI COA ruling deeming concentrates and medibles illegal (in my opinion it is not legal for them to say that, not going to discuss why, but just what I believe)). Either way, I think the naturally decarbed buds is a great alternative to concentrates, or just to simply get an idea of what ingesting concentrates would be like.


A couple of things I can point out that I have noticed. A couple of my strains are better smoked or eaten after they have naturally decarbed (4 months stored, nice and dry, sealed in a jar for 120 days). The strains seem to have more flavor, better tasting when it comes to smoking or just smelling the aroma from the open jar. Another thing I have noticed over the last couple of days from eating the bud is it seems to have sped up my metabolism. My first impression, could just be that it is something new. Not sure yet.


This will probably be a short blog, but seemed worthy. If anything changes or I encounter anything new I will add to this.


So far seems to be a great alternative and a great way to sample concentrates.


Give it a few days of ingesting the decarbed buds before making a full or partial assessment of its worth. I for one have learned that the hard way. Patience pays off in most cases.


This should be a 100% legal way to use cannabis as an edible medication in MI. If not, I don't see anything other than a 100% deliberate entrapment.


Think of all of the possibilities of how one could use the naturally decarbed buds. Put some in a grinder and sprinkle it over pizza. Sprinkle some on a brownie and cover the ground bud with frosting. The possibilities are endless.


In my opinion, any heat, such as oven, dehydrate, microwave, sunlight, etc. accelerates the loss of the medicinal properties of the buds.


Some strains may require more quantity than others to feel the effects. Remember, it can take up to 4 hours to feel the effects.


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On the third day of eating a joint it started to really seem like oil. Took a few days to get into my system before feeling like oil.


Later in the day, after eating my joint of strawberry cough, I decided to try a 1/2 joint of 6 month old space dawg. Space dawg is a potent strain, I wish I kept that one. Strangely it hit me like a pill, within 40 minutes. Then I got intense visual effects, which is a character of the space dawg. Really high quality will do that too, (not RSO).


The next morning, 4th day, I was too baked when I woke up to even think about eating another joint. I was not able to eat any until after about noon and I was still buzzing a bit then! I am still buzzing right now from it.


Eating joints compares to oil when the buds are naturally decarbed, and only that way in my opinion. I have never had any luck with medibles that were cooked in an oven or heated otherwise.


Eating 1 to 2 naturally decarbed joints per day, well, I would be high 24/7. This is of course with top shelf buds. I could smoke those same joints and not be high all day.


It is a different buzz, like oil, I don't get the red eyes, I don't get anxiety as long as I don't take too much vs. smoking, and you are getting all of the medicinal properties of the flower.


If I had cancer or some illness and had no access to oil, I surely would eat decarbed buds. Even if I had access to RSO, if I thought I had cancer, I would still eat the buds along with taking RSO. Preferably ND Sap (naturally decarbed oil).


This is really great for health effects. You can figure out what your desired medication is, whether it is one, two, or three joints per day (ingested  (eating)), after knowing the desired amount of medication, you can also eat some fresh buds which will not increase the buzz, it may even calm it down. Then you can get even more of the health benefits of cannabis. I actually had no idea that eating cannabis that has naturally decarbed could be just as effective as oil. I am convinced.


Give it a try, for at least 3 days.

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gg, been meaning to follow up with you regarding our ongoing conversation, and then I stumbled across this blog. Perfect timing!


I've been experimenting with ND Sap/oil as you know. Also, cannabutter and dried bud (caps). I'll follow up with my Sap comments on your other blog.


First, coconut cannabutter. I made a batch (Bad Kitty Smiles recipe, with heat)during the summer and capped them - approximately 1 ml/cap. One cap didn't do much. Two at the same time still wasn't too much. I put them in the freezer and kind of forgot about them. Occasionally, I would try one and the potency seemed to vary. More weeks passed. I took one about 5pm one day prior to going out for dinner with friends. Oh boy- did I get a buzz! Further experimenting I'm now doing ½ cap and then a ½ cap a couple of hours later. Nice even buzz, pain relief, little "anxiety." I attribute the change in the potency/effects to the additional decarbing that I'm assuming is taking place over time. I'm not sure, but I beleive these caps are at least 90 - to 100 days "old".


Second, bud caps. I decarbed some bud - first dried it for 15 m at 200f and the 220f for 60m. I put .25 of a gram in each cap. Like the cannabutter, at first there was very little effect unless I took two at a time or took one and then another 1 hour later. This bud has now been sitting for nearly 100 days and one cap gives me a good buzz.


My experience correlates what you've been saying all along and recently experienced with aged bud. I haven't tried your "one joint method" but will be doing so soon.


Last night I took some of my oldest HQ bud - Cannatonic - and made up some ⅛ gr caps to experiment with. My plan is to take these caps over the course of a day/days and see how the dosing goes. (I'm finding that, due to what I believe is the decarbing process taking place, that I'm having a hard time getting the dosing right as the potency of the product is changing over time!)


I'll update as I learn more.

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Wow! I really appreciate your input.


Your knowledge/experience with using bud is similar to my experience using oil. Well, the same really. I noticed all of the same changes with my oil over time when I was making RSO. I was making good size quantities so it lasted for months. Then all of a sudden I would take the same size dose and it would seem twice as strong and it stayed that way from there forward. With oil I have noticed that if there is no heat applied at all and it naturally decarbs, you can feel the difference with the additional CBDs and terpenes being present or whatever it is. It is strange that you get the same potency buzz, but it just lasts twice as long.


I don't have that much experience with naturally decarbed bud or cooked bud. I tried cooking bud using a few different methods to decarb in the oven. Nonetheless, I was not happy with the results. It did offer a different feeling than what I was used to. I felt that it was a waste considering how much bud it took to even feel anything. That was just cooked for a decarb. I pretty much ate it right away. At that time I had no knowledge of naturally decarbing.


Please do continue to document your experiences with consuming bud.


I will admit it, I am pretty hung up on the oil and eating buds is not my preferred method. It does offer the same quality effects as eating the oil. Just easier for me to take a drop of oil per day vs eating a joint, even a half joint.


I must agree with the unpredictable on the potency and the decarbing is more complicated than what I have posted. I am not sure if it is the natural decarbing, me, or if my oil is evaporating and getting thicker, but it does seem more potent right now. That makes my naturally decarbing oil about 5 months old at this point. I must admit, when I was eating the naturally decarbed bud, the Space Dawg being 6 months old, I had serious problems handling eating 1/2 joint per day. Like I said above, for some reason the naturally decarbed oil lasts twice as long so when you take one dose per day, it kind of builds up and you get more stoned.


Looking forward to any additional information you wish to share. I really believe this helps patients as another alternative. Far more efficient too.

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Hello Grow Goddess. It seems that you know quite a bit about RSO. My husband is taking it for prostate cancer that recurred after surgery. He is up to 1 gram/ day. After about 2 months, he has taken about 36 grams so far. He is feeling very cold. Have you seen this effect (feeling cold) with anyone? Also, his memory has become nearly non- existent. I assume this improves when he is not taking so much oil, yes? I hope you have time to respond. Thank you very much, from Oregon.

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Hello Grow Goddess. It seems that you know quite a bit about RSO. My husband is taking it for prostate cancer that recurred after surgery. He is up to 1 gram/ day. After about 2 months, he has taken about 36 grams so far. He is feeling very cold. Have you seen this effect (feeling cold) with anyone? Also, his memory has become nearly non- existent. I assume this improves when he is not taking so much oil, yes? I hope you have time to respond. Thank you very much, from Oregon.


Cold? Can't say that I have heard of that. As for memory loss, that is a good sign in my opinion, that means you have potent oil. It is good oil as long as it was purged properly and reasonably safe solvents were used. Some people don't get the memory loss as bad. One of my patients, and myself, experienced serious memory loss. Such as: "did I just take my dose of oil?" "I know I was thinking of it, but not sure if I ate it" I was plagued with that type of memory loss as one of my patients was too.

There is a lot more you can do besides Rick Simpson Oil. Do not drink city water, it is treated with harsh chemicals. Avoid low quality salt. Your body requires high quality pink Himalayan sea salt, it has natural iodine as well as other trace minerals. Sea kelp is good too for iodine. Most of all, hempseed oil, cold pressed unrefined Hempseed oil. Coconut oil is good to incorporate into the daily diet as well. If it were me, I would be doing all of those things, which I am, but I would also add in herbal recipes for cancer. I would also consider getting the book Modern Essentials, Sixth Edition for some great ideas about essential oils. Lastly I would cut sugar from the diet.

I have a lot of links in my Rick Simpson Oil vs Cancer blog. I think your husband has a good chance of beating it.

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