Be Aware Of This, Especially As A Caregiver

[+Jennifer8]

I want to make sure people here know about it mostly because I would like to know that everyone is doing all they can to be safe from harm, harassment, and victimization. To the site moderators, please move this to where it would be best suited and in doing so please know that I appreciate you for helping me be more organized.....and for being patient with me.

 

This morning someone emailed me this link to a news article. At first I thought it was a joke, but if you read it and apply it to how your privacy is an issue, or thinking photos that reveal no identifying information cannot be harmful, think again.

 

It was an article published in the New York Times by Kate Murphy on August 11, 2010. The article was actually printed in the NY Times paper on August 12, 2010, page B6 of the NY edition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/technology/personaltech/12basics.html?src=me&ref=technology

 

For those who do not want to click on the link, and in case the NY Times moves the location of their article, I will copy and past it.

 

When Adam Savage, host of the popular science program “MythBusters,” posted a picture on Twitter of his automobile parked in front of his house, he let his fans know much more than that he drove a Toyota Land Cruiser.

Embedded in the image was a geotag, a bit of data providing the longitude and latitude of where the photo was taken. Hence, he revealed exactly where he lived. And since the accompanying text was “Now it’s off to work,” potential thieves knew he would not be at home.

 

Security experts and privacy advocates have recently begun warning about the potential dangers of geotags, which are embedded in photos and videos taken with GPS-equipped smartphones and digital cameras. Because the location data is not visible to the casual viewer, the concern is that many people may not realize it is there; and they could be compromising their privacy, if not their safety, when they post geotagged media online.

 

Mr. Savage said he knew about geotags. (He should, as host of a show popular with technology followers.) But he said he had neglected to disable the function on his iPhone before taking the picture and uploading it to Twitter.

 

“I guess it was a lack of concern because I’m not nearly famous enough to be stalked,” he said, “and if I am, I want a raise.”

 

Still, Mr. Savage has since turned off the geotag feature on his iPhone, and he isn’t worried about the archived photo on Twitter because he has moved to a new residence.

 

But others may not be so technologically informed or so blasé about their privacy.

 

“I’d say very few people know about geotag capabilities,” said Peter Eckersley, a staff technologist with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, “and consent is sort of a slippery slope when the only way you can turn off the function on your smartphone is through an invisible menu that no one really knows about.”

 

Indeed, disabling the geotag function generally involves going through several layers of menus until you find the “location” setting, then selecting “off” or “don’t allow.” But doing this can sometimes turn off all GPS capabilities, including mapping, so it can get complicated.

 

The Web site ICanStalkU.com provides step-by-step instructions for disabling the photo geotagging function on iPhone, BlackBerry, Android and Palm devices.

 

A person’s location is also revealed while using services like Foursquare and Gowalla as well as when posting to Twitter from a GPS-enabled mobile device, but the geographical data is not hidden as it is when posting photos.

 

A handful of academic researchers and independent Web security analysts, who call themselves “white hat hackers,” have been trying to raise awareness about geotags by releasing studies and giving presentations at technology get-togethers like the Hackers On Planet Earth, or Next HOPE, conference held last month in New York.

 

Their lectures and papers demonstrate the ubiquity of geotagged photos and videos on Web sites like Twitter, YouTube, Flickr and Craigslist, and how these photos can be used to identify a person’s home and haunts.

 

Many of the pictures show people’s children playing in or around their homes. Others reveal expensive cars, computers and flat-screen televisions. There are also pictures of people at their friends’ houses or at the Starbucks they visit each morning.

 

By downloading free browser plug-ins like the Exif Viewer for Firefox (addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3905/) or Opanda IExif for Internet Explorer (opanda.com/en/iexif/), anyone can pinpoint the location where the photo was taken and create a Google map.

 

Moreover, since multimedia sites like Twitter and YouTube have user-friendly application programming interfaces, or A.P.I.’s, someone with a little knowledge about writing computer code can create a program to search for geotagged photos in a systematic way. For example, they can search for those accompanied with text like “on vacation” or those taken in a specified neighborhood.

 

“Any 16 year-old with basic programming skills can do this,” said Gerald Friedland, a researcher at the International Computer Science Institute at the University of California, Berkeley. He and a colleague, Robin Sommer, wrote a paper, “Cybercasing the Joint: On the Privacy Implications of Geotagging,” which they presented on Tuesday at a workshop in Washington during the Advanced Computing Systems Association’s annual conference on security.

 

The paper provides three examples of so-called cybercasing that use photos posted on Twitter and Craigslist and a homemade video on YouTube.

 

By looking at geotags and the text of posts, Mr. Sommer said, “you can easily find out where people live, what kind of things they have in their house and also when they are going to be away.”

 

“Our intent is not to show how it’s done,” he said, “but raise awareness so people can understand their devices and turn off those options if they want to.”

 

ICanStalkU.com, developed by the security consultants Larry Pesce of the NWN Corporation in Waltham, Mass., and Ben Jackson of Mayhemic Labs in Boston, uses a more direct approach to warning about the potential dangers of geotags. The site displays a real-time stream of geotagged photos posted on Twitter; the person who posted the photo also gets a notification via Twitter.

 

“The reaction from people is either anger, like ‘I’m going to punch you out,’ or ‘No duh, like I didn’t already know that’ or ‘Oh my God, I had no idea,’ ” Mr. Pesce said.

 

In the latter category was Cristina Parker of El Paso, who sells appliances part-time at Kmart and also manages social media for small companies. ICanStalkU.com notified her last week that a photo she had posted on Twitter of her Chihuahua, Zipp, also revealed where she lived.

 

“I immediately tweeted back to find out what I can do about it,” said Ms. Parker. The site sent her a Web link to instructions on how to turn off the geotag function on her LG Ally smartphone. “It’s definitely good to know for me personally and because of my social media work, too,” she said

 

Because of the way photographs are formatted by some sites like Facebook and Match.com, geotag information is not always retained when an image is uploaded, which provides some protection, albeit incidental. Other sites like Flickr have recently taken steps to block access to geotag data on images taken with smartphones unless a user explicitly allows it.

 

But experts say the problem goes far beyond social networking and photo sharing Web sites, regardless of whether they offer user privacy settings.

 

“There are so many places where people upload photos, like personal blogs and bulletin boards,” said Johannes B. Ullrich, chief technology officer of the SANS Technology Institute, which provides network security training and monitors the Internet for emerging security threats.

 

Protecting your privacy is not just a matter of being aware and personally responsible, said Mr. Sommer, the researcher. A friend may take a geotagged photo at your house and post it.

 

“You need to educate yourself and your friends but in the end, you really have no control,” he said, adding that he was considering writing a program to troll the Internet for photos with geotags corresponding to users’ home addresses.

 

“I’m beginning to think there may be a market for it.”

[+Silverblue]

Somewhere around here is a thread devoted to this topic, something like, "Your Iphone is Snitching on You.". It's good more ppl are becoming aware of it. It seems to me the powers that be are doing everything they can to keep tabs on us, and of course they're doing it in secret. Yeah, we're free, as long as someone can be watching our every move. They claim they're looking for terrorists or whatever boogyman they've invented this time, they need an enemy, that's another reason why Mj was made illegal, to keep certain agencies from being out of work. Look at all the ppl being employed to track us, enforce laws on us, harass, judge, convict and jail us, often in the name of security and other claims. How often do we hear someone say they're doing something for our own good? (NOT!) Our prisons are filled with their slaves. Some grand illusionist dreamed up a really big scheme, a lie that was SO BIG, enough ppl would believe it, fight and die for it. But REAL FREEDOM IS worth fighting for. How many died for the ideals of this illusion? Like so many things, technology is being used as a tool against us. Whoever you are, whatever you do, even though you may be a law abiding citizen, you still have to be careful. Those who need an enemy will surely find one, even where none exists. How sad. And ppl wonder WHY so many are angry, depressed, and scared. This dream has become a nightmare. We just wanna live in Peace.

Sb

[+Jennifer8]

They claim they're looking for terrorists or whatever boogyman they've invented this time, they need an enemy.

Sb

This is true. The government uses fear to try to control people. Remember a few years ago FOR A LONG TIME on your TV screen we had to look at what color the terrorist alert was (yellow, orange and friggin red), to try and keep people narcotic. I considered much of that a way to intentionally scare the shite out of people in order for the government to trick people into giving up their Constitutional rights, mainly speaking about the MASSIVELY ABUSED bullshite PATRIOT ACT and then there was the sunset clause they threw in there....It's sick.

 

I do know that a lot of what the government done has kept us safe, but we ALL know of how they have ABUSED their "powers" and in more cases then not.

 

We just wanna live in Peace.

Sb

 

It is such a simple and decent concept, yet so many find that unthinkable.

[+Silverblue]

Jennifer8, they know if we have real freedom, peace and justice, their greed can't survive. Greed has ruined this beautiful planet that could be a Paradise, but instead it's a living hell. There was a time ppl had a chance, the balance of power wwasn't so badly tilted and twisted out of proportion. They made us the enemy and they'dd do whatever to prop up the lies, but Truth does come out and when it does it shines very Brightly- so Brightly it would blind them! I'm so sorry to be living in such a cruel world. I wanna LIVE, not barely survive, I wanna know what true love is and real compassion, justice, etc. before I leave this miserable world. Though I've seen glimpses of these ideals, they still seem to be just out of my reach to hold onto, like it's being dangled in front of me me and some torturer is saying, "see? See what you can have IF you play the game OUR WAY!" I'm SO TIRED of fighting. I didn't start this war but I should like to END it. Not everyone can fight. At least we're aware of a lot of what they're doing to us so we can protect ourselves as best we can. That's all I can do is protect myself. The tears I cry, the pain I carry and endure throughout my lifetime could fill many oceans and drown this earth many times over. I know I'm not the only one but that's no comfort. When my life ends I hope if there's another lifetime to experience, it'll be in a better place than here, where there's a better chance for an ordinary citizen to BE SOMEBODY and MAKE A DIFFERENCE and have a DECENT QUALITY OF LIFE, where, instead of fear, anger and depression, there's hope, justice, freedom, and peace, a place with real opportunities and choices, where ppl live together and coexist even though they may disagree, I wanna live in a place where a disabled person can be seen as a PERSON FIRST, where someone can choose what medicine they want to use, where someone can recreate as well, as long as no one is harmed. I wanna live in a place where a punishment will fit the crime, where any law deals justly and fairly, with COMPASSION in each situation, not punishing everyone for the crimes of one or a few, while the majority are law abiding citizens who enjoy responsibly the things they choose to use. In this dream country, we will have an army to defend any invaders BUT they will NOT be the police of the whole world, will not dictate policy or anything else. There will be no boogyman enemy and there will be no war against the ppl. Even if these dreams never come true they are my dreams and prob'ly many others. We're not hurting anyone, not denying them their choice of meds, not doing anything wrong, yet they seem to think they have the right to track our every move, so much time and energy wasted looking for an assumed enemy. If Mj becomes legal, they'll find another enemy to keep them in business. Freedom comes at a very heavy price, we shouldn't have to compromise our Constitutional rights for security or anything else. This is so wrong and they know it but they don't care and they should FORCED to live under these intolerable conditions they impose on us. See how well they can handle the pressure of tyranny. Give them limited recorces, income, put them in a SLUM, call LEO and have the place raided, let them fight the injustice system, give them a smartphone and track their stupid assess all over the place and SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT. If they told me to go to hell I'd say, how can I GO where I already AM thanks to THEM. What they can't see is they're ruining it for EVERYONE including themselves. They have to breathe the same poisoned air, they're using the same poison they call medicine, dying from the same diseases they cause, etc., yet can't see the irony of it all. The abuser become the abused.

 

Sb

[+itssortalegal10]

Rofl so don't take and post photos with personal info in them like Geo tag or a giant poster with your social on it lol. Dually noted

[Willy]

Just another reason I don't do facebook or twit er. Working on computers I always knew it wasn't safe to put too much personal information on line. Worse than i knew tho. another obvious fact, most cell phones have gps, remember if you can see wehre you are so can they.

[1337Gr33n]

+Rep for SB and J8 for great commentary and passion!

[+420Atheist]

I have been talking about this and other security issues for a while on this site. Here is the other thread on this. There may be more. Using google earth you can see what the property looks like before even going out to drive by. The other thread has a link to a web site you can test those pictures. So far I have not found any here that had the full GPS information. But we cal all help each other out by checking pictures posted by people new to the site and warning them if GPS info is included.

 

Also discussed in the other thread is using proxy servers to get to web sites like this one. Even my gmail account is only access through a Tor proxy.

[+Jennifer8]

Rofl so don't take and post photos with personal info in them like Geo tag or a giant poster with your social on it lol. Dually noted

 

 

How is it funny that people have been giving personal information to huge amounts of strangers? Not even knowing it?

 

People have been posting their "GEO TAG" information without knowing what it even was? I don't think that's funny. It scares me a little that you seem to, my friend, but just a little.

 

What if people involved in the child porn industry use it to find and kidnap children? Do you have any concept, at all, about sexual predators and crimes against children?

 

What if people use it to find a person's MM growing so they can maybe kill the owner or seriously hurt the rightful owner, just to get it? People kill other people for twenty dollars.

[+Jennifer8]

No problem, my friend.

[herb green]

People should also take note that digital cameras act in a similar way...

 

You take a picture of ...your "plants" lets say

 

And there is imbedded info ...camera type model serial number which could lead back to the place of purchase and if you used a credit card or signed a warranty it may very well trace right back to you!

 

Anything you do can be traced...every key stroke on google and on phones its recorded and archived plus location!

 

The IP of course can be traced...but imbedded info in pictures and cd/dvd you make on your disk drive there is info on there of the model seril number...it can be traced right back to you...unless maybe if you payed cash and never signed a warranty or asked for cumstomer assistance

 

Its big brother and its pretty easy for civilians to do too... sounds like

[Zynox]

People should also take note that digital cameras act in a similar way...

 

Simple solution for those with a little computer experience:

 

Take Image

Import into any program, such as Picasa

Take a screen shot of image, using various programs, such as Snag It

Save as new image ... no meta data will be encoded

Post securely

 

The battle and contest never ends, between security and routes around oppression ...

 

Namaste,

 

Zy

[+420Atheist]

Or you can just use gimp and remove all the encoding.

[+Silverblue]

Sb, I know this is Forum Unethical Conduct, and probably unholy bad, but what you wrote was very passionate, sincere, and so beautiful that I wanted to try to make it easier for me and possibly others to read by breaking it up into paragraphs and corrected a few mild spelling errors...but very mildly. I'll delete this post if I offended you or crossed a line, and with no hard feelings in doing so. That was beautiful.

Jennifer8, I know you meant well. I have a spellchecker but sometimes I ignore it. I'm glad ppl appreciated my heartfelt message. Sometimes I use shortcuts, which I see others doing, too. I see much worse spelling on here but know it'd cause too much hurt to mention it, though there are times I have to read a post many times, b/c it gets confusing when ppl write "there" for "they're" and "their" when it should be "there", or vice-versa, among other things, but I'm not here to correct people's spelling. Some also use "are"' for "our," which gets confusing, too, but who am I to correct them?

 

Sincerely, Sb<br><br><b>EDIT 8/15/10 Something is gnawing at me about the sequence of events here, the edit was made before asking permission. No offense, I humbly request in the future, please ask me first before editing my post and that prob'ly goes for anyone else, too.</b><br>

[+itssortalegal10]

How is it funny that people have been giving personal information to huge amounts of strangers? Not even knowing it?

 

People have been posting their "GEO TAG" information without knowing what it even was? I don't think that's funny. It scares me a little that you seem to, my friend, but just a little.

 

What if people involved in the child porn industry use it to find and kidnap children? Do you have any concept, at all, about sexual predators and crimes against children?

 

What if people use it to find a person's MM growing so they can maybe kill the owner or seriously hurt the rightful owner, just to get it? People kill other people for twenty dollars.

ROFL @ YOU Wow calm the f down...I can LAUGH at whatever story I choose to LAUGH at when and where I want to...We live in America and if you are dumb enough to accidentally post private info in something online I LAUGH at you ... Get over it

[+Jennifer8]

ROFL @ YOU Wow calm the f down...I can LAUGH at whatever story I choose to LAUGH at when and where I want to...We live in America and if you are dumb enough to accidentally post private info in something online I LAUGH at you ... Get over it

Touchy, touchy...I never said you couldn't laugh. If that type of situation makes you festive, more power to you. Live and let live.

[mizerman]

We knew somebody that posted her and her husband's ADDRESS on a website telling people where their grow was.

 

AND, sent mine my wife's personal information out to California.

 

Needless to say, we don't have anything to do with this person.

 

Live and learn...live and learn.

 

Mizerman

 

p.s. in today's world you just can't be too careful

[+Jennifer8]

We knew somebody that posted her and her husband's ADDRESS on a website telling people where their grow was.

 

AND, sent mine my wife's personal information out to California.

 

Needless to say, we don't have anything to do with this person.

 

Live and learn...live and learn.

 

Mizerman

 

p.s. in today's world you just can't be too careful

 

That's sick and scary!!!

 

So, now I wonder if the regular criminal distributors are mad about some people able to legally grow it, legally distribute it, which is cutting into an illegal drug dealer's income and making them mad about it. I was wondering if that causes ill feelings within the criminal drug activity world towards those able to legally be involved with the growing and use of MM. I would hope not but its a reason why laws need to be taken seriously so that legally possessing MM people have full protections of the law from actual criminals that are out to victimize them. Maybe LEO looks at it like a hooker that got beat up or killed then LEO figures it came with the territory and doesn't really do much about it, but that is the stereotypical situation.

 

Also, maybe criminal minded people are hoping legal MM people won't even bother calling the police, filling out a police report, or asking for LEO help if someone stold their plants, and if one is a caregiver to more then one patient, that can add up. Even if for a caregiver with one patient, or patient growing for their own use, it's still a crime, but, what is the hope for LEO to help or protect against the victimization in this given situation? Who knows?

[stuckinlodi]

People should also take note that digital cameras act in a similar way...

 

You take a picture of ...your "plants" lets say

 

And there is imbedded info ...camera type model serial number which could lead back to the place of purchase and if you used a credit card or signed a warranty it may very well trace right back to you!

 

Anything you do can be traced...every key stroke on google and on phones its recorded and archived plus location!

 

The IP of course can be traced...but imbedded info in pictures and cd/dvd you make on your disk drive there is info on there of the model seril number...it can be traced right back to you...unless maybe if you payed cash and never signed a warranty or asked for cumstomer assistance

 

Its big brother and its pretty easy for civilians to do too... sounds like

I don't believe this is true. For instance, I have a Canon Rebel Dsi (a DSLR cam) that I bought at Best Buy. They also sell this camera at a few different camera shops around my town as well as the bookstore at a local college because this is the model they use in the digital photography class. I did purchase a warrenty on the camera because I have three kids under the age of 10 and it cost $1200. I have used every kind of ADVANCED photo editing software out there and have yet to find a tag stating on any photo what type of camera I used on the pic itself or on my computer. Even if it did...how can anybody determine which store my camera was purchased at or gain access to that stores credit card/warrenty records? I understand the need to be vigilant, but posting misinformation like this leads to paranoia. The only time a tag is placed on your computer when a pic is taken is if you use, say, a Kodak camera and use Kodak EasyShare to share your photos online. Then it will tell the people you are sharing with what model camera you used, but never a serial number of the camera. I'm not trying to put you down or argue with you (so please don't -rep me), I'm just trying to let you know that the info you stated above is incorrect. If people want to photograph their plants and post them, the BEST way is using a digital camera and the next best way is to scan old fashioned 35mm prints. This even carries risks though because all printers/scanners have a "signature mark" that is unique to that machine. Taking cell phone pictures has been proven to be a dumb thing to do, but you can even get past that by simply disabling the GPS feature on your phone. I don't because, as I stated above, I have kids and I want the 911 operators to have my location just in case, but disabling this feature is relatively simple and will take care of any GPS photo tagging. Again, I'm not trying to argue...that not my intention...I just don't want people to be afraid to take pics because of unjust paranoia. That's all.

[+itssortalegal10]

I don't believe this is true. For instance, I have a Canon Rebel Dsi (a DSLR cam) that I bought at Best Buy. They also sell this camera at a few different camera shops around my town as well as the bookstore at a local college because this is the model they use in the digital photography class. I did purchase a warrenty on the camera because I have three kids under the age of 10 and it cost $1200. I have used every kind of ADVANCED photo editing software out there and have yet to find a tag stating on any photo what type of camera I used on the pic itself or on my computer. Even if it did...how can anybody determine which store my camera was purchased at or gain access to that stores credit card/warrenty records? I understand the need to be vigilant, but posting misinformation like this leads to paranoia. The only time a tag is placed on your computer when a pic is taken is if you use, say, a Kodak camera and use Kodak EasyShare to share your photos online. Then it will tell the people you are sharing with what model camera you used, but never a serial number of the camera. I'm not trying to put you down or argue with you (so please don't -rep me), I'm just trying to let you know that the info you stated above is incorrect. If people want to photograph their plants and post them, the BEST way is using a digital camera and the next best way is to scan old fashioned 35mm prints. This even carries risks though because all printers/scanners have a "signature mark" that is unique to that machine. Taking cell phone pictures has been proven to be a dumb thing to do, but you can even get past that by simply disabling the GPS feature on your phone. I don't because, as I stated above, I have kids and I want the 911 operators to have my location just in case, but disabling this feature is relatively simple and will take care of any GPS photo tagging. Again, I'm not trying to argue...that not my intention...I just don't want people to be afraid to take pics because of unjust paranoia. That's all.

 

Exactly that is why this is so funny to me. For one thing if you are worried about cops coming to your house because of a photo you took and posted online that tells me that you have something to hide like perhaps over plant count...Otherwise you are legal and who cares? I mean if you put all the time money and effort into building one or more grow rooms be it in your home or outside of it, then decided not to make it as secure as possible to prevent break in then (and I hate to sound cold) you get whats coming.

 

So for example if your building is outside like mine will be, go to Lowes and spend ten bucks on a motion light for the front. Then spend about another one fifty on a camera with a portable screen. you don't have to subscribe to an alarm company to have an alarm either they make some pretty loud alarms that sound when things are broken into that would not only alert you but half the people around you..And in the end as I said before if you are under or at plant count what do you care if the cops come? I mean if they are there for a robbery and you called them, I would assume they would appreciate the fact that ylou called them rather than let this evil evil plant make it out into the world on the black market.

 

If you are worried about other types of bad things happening from being online, well take the measures to prevent them whatever they may be. I am sorry but we live in an online world now and fearing the internet is fine but when you start limiting what you search and what you post and what you share you are really not using the internet so why even bother....I mean just coming to this page and making posts could prove to be bad for any of us being that rumor has it the cops watch this page, but yet here we are learning and sharing....I think the average robber would rather just break in to a random home or steal your purse or wallet instead of logging on and decrypting photos and videos and all that.

[herb green]

I dont know man....that's just what Ive heard...

 

That when you take a picture and post it...alot more info is there

 

I dont think photoshop will find it....Its like digital forensics

 

Some of this is just the manufacturer's way of keeping track of things or part of the process...not some way of tracking you...but it could be used to track some one...just like gps on phones with those geotags

 

whatever...I mean it's something to think about...for example: before posting a grow pic with YOU in it !!!haha....perhaps...or maybe not...maybe youve done nothing wrong your plant count is good...LOL!!!!

 

Yeah....

 

Paranoia is not paranoia...when someone is really out to get you...

 

Its just good sense!

 

Dont lose that because you got a legal certification...

[+itssortalegal10]

I dont know man....that's just what Ive heard...

 

That when you take a picture and post it...alot more info is there

 

I dont think photoshop will find it....Its like digital forensics

 

Some of this is just the manufacturer's way of keeping track of things or part of the process...not some way of tracking you...but it could be used to track some one...just like gps on phones with those geotags

 

whatever...I mean it's something to think about...for example: before posting a grow pic with YOU in it !!!haha....perhaps...or maybe not...maybe youve done nothing wrong your plant count is good...LOL!!!!

 

Yeah....

 

Paranoia is not paranoia...when someone is really out to get you...

 

Its just good sense!

 

Dont lose that because you got a legal certification...

 

You might want to remove the LOL from your statement the person that created this topic likes to hand out bad rep for laughing and disagreeing.. Just a heads up..Sily I know but as a cg I need the good rep on here so anything she creates just agree with her so she feels smart

 

Peace

[stuckinlodi]

Exactly that is why this is so funny to me. For one thing if you are worried about cops coming to your house because of a photo you took and posted online that tells me that you have something to hide like perhaps over plant count...Otherwise you are legal and who cares? I mean if you put all the time money and effort into building one or more grow rooms be it in your home or outside of it, then decided not to make it as secure as possible to prevent break in then (and I hate to sound cold) you get whats coming.

 

So for example if your building is outside like mine will be, go to Lowes and spend ten bucks on a motion light for the front. Then spend about another one fifty on a camera with a portable screen. you don't have to subscribe to an alarm company to have an alarm either they make some pretty loud alarms that sound when things are broken into that would not only alert you but half the people around you..And in the end as I said before if you are under or at plant count what do you care if the cops come? I mean if they are there for a robbery and you called them, I would assume they would appreciate the fact that ylou called them rather than let this evil evil plant make it out into the world on the black market.

 

If you are worried about other types of bad things happening from being online, well take the measures to prevent them whatever they may be. I am sorry but we live in an online world now and fearing the internet is fine but when you start limiting what you search and what you post and what you share you are really not using the internet so why even bother....I mean just coming to this page and making posts could prove to be bad for any of us being that rumor has it the cops watch this page, but yet here we are learning and sharing....I think the average robber would rather just break in to a random home or steal your purse or wallet instead of logging on and decrypting photos and videos and all that.

That's exactly what I mean. I don't think anybody is going to waste their time tracking down the store you bought a camera at, breaking into that store's records and trying to locate you just because you happened to take a pic of a couple of pot plants. Its paranoia at its best. But God forbid I actually say that cuz than people -rep me for being honest. It really seems like you get a neg. rep. around here if you opinion differs from anybody elses. Its pretty silly. Never in my life have I seen such close mindedness. It not even like the people have constructive arguement-they say nothing! Kinda cowardly, if you ask me.

[stuckinlodi]

You might want to remove the LOL from your statement the person that created this topic likes to hand out bad rep for laughing and disagreeing.. Just a heads up..Sily I know but as a cg I need the good rep on here so anything she creates just agree with her so she feels smart

 

Peace

She hit me...don't worry, I +rep'd you in case she does....damage control. I'll hit up everybody...If you feel like returning the favor...more power to you. I really don't feel like I said anything too offensive?

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