Christian Church Rites Of The Blessing Of The Sick

[borneagle]

For those of us not stumbled (and willing to investigate deeper into church history of "anointing") by the new revelation of the Holy Oil active ingredient being hemp, let us continue to learn how the Christian Church helps with PATIENT ISSUES!

 

I have learned that most (if not all) the records of hemp (what we call marijuana) have been stricken from all records, and stamped out by controlling entities of past kingdoms.

 

But those who wish to control man-kind has never found a way to smite "tradition".

 

And to learn about the Holy Cannabis Oil we must turn to tradition to see how they practiced Christianity and how important the cannabis infused oil was then, and is still today, VERY CENTRAL to the anointing religion we call "Christianity".

 

The following is taken from a Catholic Christian Prayerbook and it concerns how to treat the sickly.

 

INTRODUCTION

 

1. The bishop is to be considered as the high priest of his flock. The life in Christ of his faithful is in some way derived and dependent upon the bishop.

 

The chrism Mass is one of the principal expressions of the fullness of the bishop’s priesthood and signifies the close unity of the priests with him. During the Mass, which he concelebrates with priests from various sections of the diocese, the bishop consecrates the chrism and blesses the other oils. The newly baptized are anointed and confirmed with the chrism consecrated by the bishop. Catechumens are prepared and disposed for baptism with the second oil. And the sick are anointed in their illness with the third oil.

 

2. The Christian liturgy has assimilated this Old Testament usage of anointing kings, priests, and prophets with consecratory oil because the name of Christ, whom they prefigured, means “the anointed of the Lord.”

 

Chrism is a sign: by baptism Christians are plunged into the paschal mystery of Christ; they die with him, are buried with him, and rise with him; they are sharers in his royal and prophetic priesthood. By confirmation Christians receive the spiritual anointing of the Spirit who is given to them.

 

By the oil of catechumens the effect of the baptismal exorcisms is extended. Before they go to the font of life to be reborn the candidates for baptism are strengthened to renounce sin and the devil.

 

By the use of the oil

of the sick, to which Saint James is a witness, the sick receive a

remedy for the illness of mind and body,

so that they may have strength to bear suffering and resist evil and obtain the forgiveness of sins.

 

I. The Oils

 

3. The matter proper for the sacraments is olive oil or, according to circumstances, other plant oil.

 

4. Chrism is made of oil and perfumes or other sweet smelling matter.

 

5. The preparation of the chrism may take place privately before the rite of consecration or may be done by the bishop during the liturgical service.

 

II. The Minister

 

6. The consecration of the chrism belongs to the bishop alone.

 

7. If the use of the oil of catechumens is retained by the conferences of bishops, it is blessed by the bishop with the other oils during the chrism Mass.

 

In the case of the baptism of adults, however, priests have the faculty to bless the oil of catechumens before the anointing in the designated stage of the catechumenate.

 

8. The oil used for anointing the sick must be blessed for this purpose by the bishop or by a priest who has this faculty, either from the law or by special concession of the Apostolic See.

 

The law itself permits the following to bless the oil of the sick:

 

(a) those whom the law equates with diocesan bishops;

 

(b) in case of true necessity, any priest.

 

III. Time of Blessing

 

9. The blessing of the oil and the consecration of the chrism are ordinarily celebrated by the bishop at the chrism Mass celebrated on Holy Thursday morning.

 

10. If it is difficult for the clergy and people to assemble with the bishop on Holy Thursday morning, the blessing may be held on an earlier day, near Easter, with the celebration of the proper chrism Mass.

 

IV. Place of the Blessing in the Mass

 

11. According to the tradition of the Latin liturgy,

the blessing of the oil of the sick

takes place before the end of the Eucharistic prayer, the blessing of the oil of catechumens and the consecration of the chrism, after communion.

 

12. For pastoral reasons, however, the entire rite of blessing may be celebrated after the liturgy of the word, according to the order described below.

 

BLESSING OF OILS AND CONSECRATION OF THE CHRISM

 

PREPARATIONS

 

13. For the blessing of oils the following preparations are made in addition to what is needed for Mass:

 

In the sacristy or other appropriate place:

 

—vessels of oils;

 

—balsam or perfume for the preparation of the chrism if the bishop wishes to mix the chrism during the liturgical service;

 

—bread, wine, and water for Mass, which are carried with the oils before the preparation of the gifts.

 

In the sanctuary:

 

—table for the vessels of oil, placed so that the people may see the entire rite easily and take part in it;

 

—chair for the bishop, if the blessing takes place in front of the altar.

 

RITE OF BLESSING

 

14. The chrism Mass is always concelebrated. It is desirable that there be some priests from the various sections of the diocese among the priests who concelebrate with the bishop and are his witnesses and the co-workers in the ministry of the holy chrism.

 

15. The preparation of the bishops, the concelebrants, and other ministers, their entrance into the church, and everything from the beginning of Mass until the end of the liturgy of the word take place as indicated in the rite of concelebration. The deacons who take part in the blessing of oils walk ahead of the concelebrating priests to the altar.

 

16. After the renewal of commitment to priestly service the deacons and ministers appointed to carry the oils or, in their absence, some priests and ministers together with the faithful who will carry the bread, wine, and water, go in procession to the sacristy or other place where the oils and other offerings have been prepared. Returning to the altar, they follow this order: first the minister carrying the vessel of balsam, if the bishop wishes to prepare the chrism, then the minister with the vessel for the oil of the catechumens, if it is to be blessed, the minister with the vessel for the oil of the sick, lastly a deacon or priest carrying the oil for the chrism. The ministers who carry the bread, wine, and water for the celebration of the Eucharist follow them.

 

17. During the procession through the church, the choir leads the singing of the hymn “O Redeemer” or some other appropriate song, in place of the offertory song.

 

18. When the procession comes to the altar or the chair, the bishop receives the gifts. The deacon who carries the vessel of oil for the chrism shows it to the bishop, saying in a loud voice: The oil for the holy chrism. The bishop takes the vessel and gives it to one of the assisting deacons to place on the table. The same is done by those who carry the vessels for the oil of the sick and the oil of the catechumens. The first says: The oil of the sick; the second says: The oil of catechumens. The bishop takes the vessels in the same way, and the ministers place them on the table.

 

19. Then the Mass continues, as in the rite of concelebration, until the end of the Eucharistic prayer, unless the entire rite of blessing takes place immediately (see no. 12). In this case everything is done as described below (see no. 26).

 

BLESSING OF THE OIL OF THE SICK

 

20. Before the bishop says Through Christ our Lord you give us all these gifts in Eucharistic Prayer I, or the doxology Through him in the other Eucharistic prayers, the one who carried the vessel for oil of the sick brings it to the altar and holds it in front of the bishop while he blesses the oil. The bishop says or sings this prayer:

 

Lord God, loving Father, you bring healing to the sick through your Son Jesus Christ. Hear us as we pray to you in faith, and send the Holy Spirit, man’s Helper and Friend,

upon this oil,

which nature has provided to serve the needs of men.

 

May your blessing + come upon all who are anointed with this oil,

that they may be freed from pain and illness and made well again in body, mind, and soul.

Father, may this oil be blessed for our use in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ (who lives and reigns with you forever and ever. Amen.)

 

The conclusion Who lives and reigns with you is said only when this blessing takes place outside the Eucharistic prayer.

 

When Eucharistic Prayer I is used, the beginning of the prayer Through Christ our Lord! You give us all these gifts is changed to: Through whom you give us all these gifts.

 

After the blessing, the vessel with the oil of the sick is returned to its place, and the Mass continues until the communion rite is completed.

 

BLESSING OF THE OIL OF CATECHUMENS

 

21. After the prayer after communion, the ministers place the oils to be blessed on a table suitably located in the center of the sanctuary. The concelebrating priests stand around the bishop on either side, in a semicircle, and the other ministers stand behind him. The bishop then blesses the oil of catechumens, if it is to be blessed, and consecrates the chrism.

 

22. When everything is ready, the bishop faces the people, and with his hands extended, sings or says the following prayer:

 

Lord God, protector of all who believe in you, bless + this oil at

and give wisdom and strength to all who are anointed with

it

in reparation for their baptism. Bring them to a deeper understanding of the gospel, help them to accept the challenge of Christian living, and lead them to the joy of new birth in the family of your Church. We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen.

 

CONSECRATION OF THE CHRISM

 

23. Then the bishop pours the balsam or perfume in the oil and mixes the chrism in silence, unless this was done beforehand.

 

24. After this he signs or says the invitation:

 

Let us pray that God our almighty Father so that all who are anointed with it may be inwardly transformed and come to share in eternal salvation.

25.Then the bishop may breathe over the opening of the vessel of chrism. With his hands extended, he sings or says one of the following consecratory prayers.

 

Consecratory Prayer (A)

 

God our maker, source of all growth in holiness, accept the joyful thanks and praise we offer in the name of your Church. In the beginning, at your command, the earth produced fruit-bearing trees.

 

From the fruit of the olive tree you have provided us with oil for holy chrism. The prophet David sang of the life and joy that the oil would bring us in the sacraments of your love.

 

After the avenging flood, the dove returning to Noah with an olive branch announced your gift of peace. This was a sign of a greater gift to come. Now the waters of baptism wash away the sins of men, and by the anointing with olive oil you make us radiant with your joy.

 

At your command, Aaron was washed with water, and your servant Moses, his brother, anointed him priest. This too foreshadowed greater things to come. After your Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, asked John for baptism in the waters of Jordan, you sent the Spirit upon him in the form of a dove and by the witness of your own voice you declared him to be your only, well-beloved Son. In this you clearly fulfilled the prophecy of David, that Christ would be anointed with the oil of gladness beyond his fellow men.

 

All the concelebrants extend their right hands toward the chrism, without saying anything, until the end of the prayer.

 

And so, Father, we ask you to bless + this oil you have created.

Fill it with the power of your Holy Spirit through Christ your Son. It is from him that chrism takes its name and with chrism you have anointed for yourself priests and kings, prophets and martyrs.

Or:

 

Consecratory Prayer (B)

 

Make this chrism a sign of life and salvation for those who are to be born again in the waters of baptism. Wash away the evil they have inherited from sinful Adam,

and when they are anointed with this holy oil make them temples of your glory

, radiant with the goodness of life that has its source in you.

 

Through this sign of chrism grant them royal, priestly, and prophetic honor, and clothe them with incorruption. Let this be indeed the chrism of salvation for those who will be born again of water and the Holy Spirit. May they come to share eternal life in the glory of your kingdom. We ask this through Christ our Lord.

 

Father, we thank you for the gifts you have given us in your love: we thank you for the life itself and for the sacraments that strengthen it and give it fuller meaning.

 

In the Old Covenant you gave your people a glimpse of the power of this holy oil and when the fullness of time had come you brought that mystery to perfection in the life of our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son.

 

By his suffering, dying, and rising to life he saved the human race. He sent your Spirit to fill the Church with every gift needed to complete your saving work.

 

From that time forward,

through the sign of holy chrism

, you dispense your life and love to men. By anointing them with the Spirit, you strengthen all who have been reborn in baptism. Through that anointing you transform them into the likeness of Christ your Son and give them a share in his royal, priestly, and prophetic work.

 

All the concelebrants extend their right hands toward the chrism

, without saying anything, until the end of the prayer.

 

And so, Father, by the power of your love, make this mixture of oil and perfume a sign and source + of your blessing. Pour out the gifts of your Holy Spirit on our brothers and sisters who will be anointed with it. Let the splendor of holiness shine on the world from every place and thing signed with this oil.

 

Above all, Father, we pray that through this sign of your anointing you will grant increase to your Church until it reaches the eternal glory where you, Father, will be the all in all, together with Christ your Son, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, forever and ever. Amen.

 

26. When the entire rite of blessing of oils is to be celebrated after the liturgy of the word, at the end of the renewal of commitment to priestly service the bishop goes with the concelebrants to the table where the blessing of the oil of the sick and of the oil of the chrism are to take place, and everything is done as described above (nos. 20-25).

 

27. After the final blessing of the Mass, the bishop puts incense in the censer, and the procession to the sacristy is arranged.

 

The blessed oils are carried by the ministers immediately after the cross, and the choir and people sing some verses of the hymn “O Redeemer” or some other appropriate song.

 

28. In the sacristy the bishop may instruct the priests about the reverent use and safe custody of the holy oils.

 

Below we see God instructing Moses how to make this same oil used in Christianity using marijuana infusion.

 

May the Lord add his blessings.

 

Blessed are those who find no offense in cannabis research.

Peace!

 

1980, etymologists at Hebrew University in Jerusalem confirmed that cannabis is mentioned in the Bible by name, Kineboisin (Also spelled Kannabosm), in a list of measured ingredients for "an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compounded after the art of apothecary to be smeared on the head. The word was mistranslated in King James version as `calamus' – Exudous 30:23 (Latimer 1988).

[Wayne'sWorld]

If the one true church of Jesus Christ our Lord states something as truth then it must be. Glad to see others finding the true light of Christ through the one true church. Were I ever to return to my religeous roots we would be in total agreement. But therein lies the problem.

[borneagle]

If the one true church of Jesus Christ our Lord states something as truth then it must be. Glad to see others finding the true light of Christ through the one true church. Were I ever to return to my religeous roots we would be in total agreement. But therein lies the problem.

 

Hello my Brother!

 

I am simply quoting a church prayer book as a reference to the Christian use of the anointing oil.

 

I make no claims to any church or denomination.

 

Peace!

[+420Atheist]

Our discussion of oil in the other thread was pretty complete. People who have spent their whole life studying ancient Hebrew list hemp as one possibility but not the only possible interpretation. So lets move on.

 

The church of Rome was formed 300 years or so after Jesus died. Because of that we have much better documentation as to their dogma. It seems like you are suggesting that the Catholic church at one time used hemp in their oil. I think that is a big leap of logic that you have not supported with evidence.

 

Blessed are those who find no offense in cannabis research.

 

Ok let's be real clear. Just because someone does not agree with you or presents evidence that does not agree with your premise that does not mean they are "offended" by "cannabis research." This kind of distraction fallacy is called poising of the well. You are attempting to stop any debate by accusing those who disagree with you as being anti cannabis research. This forum amazes me on a daily basis with the vast well of knowledge it's members posses. Not only are it's members very pro cannabis research but many have very throughly researched the subject. Members here are opened minded enough to weigh the evidence from both sides and make informed opinions. If you just want to shout into the void and not be challenged on these issues then put them in a blog post and disable comments.

[borneagle]

If you just want to shout into the void and not be challenged on these issues then put them in a blog post and disable comments.

 

You do a lot of assuming.

 

I welcome and encourage all input.

 

I was simply trying to write it in a way that would be un-offensive... it appears I have failed (with you anyway.)

 

Peace to you and yours.

[solabeirtan]

Our discussion of oil in the other thread was pretty complete. People who have spent their whole life studying ancient Hebrew list hemp as one possibility but not the only possible interpretation. So lets move on.

 

The church of Rome was formed 300 years or so after Jesus died. Because of that we have much better documentation as to their dogma. It seems like you are suggesting that the Catholic church at one time used hemp in their oil. I think that is a big leap of logic that you have not supported with evidence.

 

 

 

Ok let's be real clear. Just because someone does not agree with you or presents evidence that does not agree with your premise that does not mean they are "offended" by "cannabis research." This kind of distraction fallacy is called poising of the well. You are attempting to stop any debate by accusing those who disagree with you as being anti cannabis research. This forum amazes me on a daily basis with the vast well of knowledge it's members posses. Not only are it's members very pro cannabis research but many have very throughly researched the subject. Members here are opened minded enough to weigh the evidence from both sides and make informed opinions. If you just want to shout into the void and not be challenged on these issues then put them in a blog post and disable comments.

 

Please Lighten up a bit on you're overbearing condescending opinions, they're no doubt considered offensive to a few. Spirituality is an undeniable part of most religions and may well be found to be one of the unifieying concepts. Possibly it is a form of meditation?

 

This can take on very personal feelings. Yours is just not a very good way to encourage dialog on this subject in my opinion.

 

He does mention it came from a Catholic Prayerbook. As in Roman Catholic is the same as the Church of Rome and is usually considered to be the same church that started after His demise in about 40ad:

 

"The best evidence available for the origins of the Roman church is Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans. This indicates that the church was established probably by the early 40s. Saint Peter became associated with this church sometime between the year 58 and the early 60s" ...

 

http://en.wikipedia....Diocese_of_Rome

 

The fact that they could have been using cannabis oil for annointing is intriuging. They also incorporated the use of incense into special ceremonies, as well as alcohol in the form of the wine used to represent "The Blood" and the bread used at the Communion to signify "His Body".

....Bethlehem I think had something about being the place to get bread, a Bakery. .... Peace ....

[GanjaWarrior]

as a pagan does this mean i have to go to heaven if i use pot as medicine?

[solabeirtan]

as a pagan does this mean i have to go to heaven if i use pot as medicine?

 

 

Absolutley! If you use it right ...

[greenbuddha]

as a pagan does this mean i have to go to heaven if i use pot as medicine?

 

Ganja, that's the problem. You should be able to go 'anywhere you want with it, (within certain limits of course) (smiles).

 

Right now there are laws that keep us from doing that.

[+420Atheist]

You do a lot of assuming.

 

I welcome and encourage all input.

 

I was simply trying to write it in a way that would be un-offensive... it appears I have failed (with you anyway.)

 

Peace to you and yours.

 

So what would be the correct interpretation of this comment?

 

Blessed are those who find no offense in cannabis research.

 

Why mention it if you believe no one here is offended by cannabis research? Why not just say bless all who reply?

[peanutbutter]

as a pagan does this mean i have to go to heaven if i use pot as medicine?

 

Yes .. services will start at 9AM Sunday morning in downtown Detroit.

 

The church has a special money back guarantee.

 

If after one thousand years have passed, and you're still not in heaven, you may ask for a full refund of all donations given to the church.

 

(refund applications must be made in person)

[greenbuddha]

Yes .. services will start at 9AM Sunday morning in downtown Detroit.

 

The church has a special money back guarantee.

 

If after one thousand years have passed, and you're still not in heaven, you may ask for a full refund of all donations given to the church.

 

(refund applications must be made in person)

 

 

I just knew the ability to 'reincarnate' would come in handy at some point.

 

Got my can of 'Brasso' ready for that 'halo'.

 

"Going forth on a cloud of incense".

 

"And the stairway descended from a cloud of smoke".

[+420Atheist]

Please Lighten up a bit on you're overbearing condescending opinions, they're no doubt considered offensive to a few. Spirituality is an undeniable part of most religions and may well be found to be one of the unifieying concepts. Possibly it is a form of meditation?

 

This can take on very personal feelings. Yours is just not a very good way to encourage dialog on this subject in my opinion.

 

He does mention it came from a Catholic Prayerbook. As in Roman Catholic is the same as the Church of Rome and is usually considered to be the same church that started after His demise in about 40ad:

 

"The best evidence available for the origins of the Roman church is Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans. This indicates that the church was established probably by the early 40s. Saint Peter became associated with this church sometime between the year 58 and the early 60s" ...

 

http://en.wikipedia....Diocese_of_Rome

 

 

 

Because I insist that historical information be based on evidence that somehow discourages dialog? I would suggest that most times my post increase the post count in these threads. As for your ad hominem of being condescending that sounds like your attempting to stifle discussion not encourage debate. Feel free to point out omissions or errors in my facts or logic.

 

Christianity was not even legal in Rome until 313. It was 380 when Christianity became the state religion.

 

Antioch and Rome: New Testament Cradles of Christianity. Paulist Press. 1983. "As for Peter, we have no knowledge at all of when he came to Rome and what he did there before he was martyred. Certainly he was not the original missionary who brought Christianity to Rome (and therefore not the founder of the church of Rome in that sense). There is no serious proof that he was the bishop (or local ecclesiastical officer) of the Roman church--a claim not made till the third century. Most likely he did not spend any major time at Rome before 58 when Paul wrote to the Romans, and so it may have been only in the 60s and relatively shortly before his martyrdom that Peter came to the capital."

 

But none of that really matters without knowing more about the document in the OP. When was it created? Where did it come from. Why are the instructions on how to make the oil not included as proof. Until we know the origins of these documents it is just more wishful thinking.

 

The fact that they could have been using cannabis oil for annointing is intriuging. They also incorporated the use of incense into special ceremonies, as well as alcohol in the form of the wine used to represent "The Blood" and the bread used at the Communion to signify "His Body".

....Bethlehem I think had something about being the place to get bread, a Bakery. .... Peace ....

 

Sure it is intriguing. I would love for it to be true just because of how it would effect cannabis status in this country where so many people consider themselves religious. However I am a strong believer in reporting history honestly. Not conjecture stated as fact. Unless history is stated honestly we can not learn the correct lessons from it. Further more if you don't have the evidence to support these beliefs then we will be put in the same category as the people hunting bigfoot (my apologizes to all the bigfoot believers out there.)

[+420Atheist]

as a pagan does this mean i have to go to heaven if i use pot as medicine?

 

Are you really a pagan? Or more correctly a neo pagan? I would not ask as it is none of my business but you did bring it up. I'm just curious about your practices if you are.

[borneagle]

So what would be the correct interpretation of this comment?

 

 

 

Why mention it if you believe no one here is offended by cannabis research? Why not just say bless all who reply?

 

Hey 420 thanks for the question.

 

The word "blessed" is a good thing... it means that things will go well.

 

Blessed means:

"to make happy : give good fortune or satisfaction to : confer prosperity upon *a child soon blessed the union* *the whole region is blessed with good soil and abundant water*" Merriam-Webster.

 

It is my belief that the more we learn from the history of the cannabis plant, and re-institute the forgotten knowledge we have been deprived of in all aspects of the human life.

 

I believe those who are open to the 100% safe, and 100% beneficial plant, those who strive to learn all of hemps secrets.

 

I believe these people are indeed blessed and will excel, because I believe in the hemp plant... and the faster mankind returns to this forgotten tree of life, the better... hence my statement:

 

For me it doesn't matter if anyone replies... I believe when a truth is revealed there is ALWAYS an ear to catch it, if people post or don't post, I hope they are blessed either way.

 

I pray also that you find Cannabis truths in all parts of your life.

 

Peace my Brother, and please don't take offense if I suggest you have a blessed evening.

 

Peace!

[+420Atheist]

Hey 420 thanks for the question.

 

The word "blessed" is a good thing... it means that things will go well.

 

Blessed means:

"to make happy : give good fortune or satisfaction to : confer prosperity upon *a child soon blessed the union* *the whole region is blessed with good soil and abundant water*" Merriam-Webster.

 

It is my belief that the more we learn from the history of the cannabis plant, and re-institute the forgotten knowledge we have been deprived of in all aspects of the human life.

 

I believe those who are open to the 100% safe, and 100% beneficial plant, those who strive to learn all of hemps secrets.

 

I believe these people are indeed blessed and will excel, because I believe in the hemp plant... and the faster mankind returns to this forgotten tree of life, the better... hence my statement:

 

For me it doesn't matter if anyone replies... I believe when a truth is revealed there is ALWAYS an ear to catch it, if people post or don't post, I hope they are blessed either way.

 

I pray also that you find Cannabis truths in all parts of your life.

 

Peace my Brother, and please don't take offense if I suggest you have a blessed evening.

 

Peace!

 

I understand the meaning of the word and the context it was used. I also understand what none responsive answers are. It was not the blessing but the way it was used in a fallacy of distraction. But I made my point about that and feel no need to beat the dead horse.

[+420Atheist]

I am happy to say that the Episcopal Church (my church) supports the use med mj by patients.

 

Cool! Is that official church doctrine? Do you know when it was adopted? It it adopted by all the churches nationally or internationally?

 

Ok I had to do a quick read up on Episcopalian because it was not one I had looked into before. You guys are kind of interesting. Protestant yet also Catholic. They are kind of liberal for most churches as you supported civil rights and affirmative action and apposed the death penalty. I like what I read as they seemed very reasoned in their approach.

[puravida1974]

My link

 

 

 

I hope that link posted, because it's pretty cool.

[borneagle]

I understand the meaning of the word and the context it was used. I also understand what none responsive answers are. It was not the blessing but the way it was used in a fallacy of distraction. But I made my point about that and feel no need to beat the dead horse.

 

Ya, it is no fun beating a dead horse, for sure.

 

I posted some information on cannabis and the sick, and how they were treated in a prayer book... IMO you went off on a "fallacy of distraction" by magnifying a statement that was only meant as good will.

 

But like you said... let's not beat a dead horse.

 

Peace.

[GanjaWarrior]

Are you really a pagan? Or more correctly a neo pagan? I would not ask as it is none of my business but you did bring it up. I'm just curious about your practices if you are.

no offense taken...ask away lol. To be honest im not sure what your definitions for those terms are so i wont claim one or the other. yes im a pagan... i chose to follow the path my ancestors did, or as close to it as i can. I guess you could say im a neo pagan as im not dead so im not the old pagans lol. im not wiccan, i dont attend any groups or anything. I tend to desire the characteristics my ancestors admired in their gods, strength honor self sacrifice etc... i hold very highly my ancestors both the European and the "native" side. Most of all I worship nature i hold life above all else. I see no more value in the life of man than that of the trees.... we all vibrate.srry this is way off topic shoulda put in a pm maybe...oh well woop me for it.lol

[greenbuddha]

This is 'historical' information on the 'early medical' use of 'cannabis' which is traceable and can be varified.

 

And no, it does not confirm cannabis use for 'religious purposes', but I find it interesting that there IS evidence that cannabis WAS being used in the Middle East at a very early date.

Ramesseum III Papyrus (1700 BC)

The Ramesseum III, Medical Papyrus:

As can be seen the Ramesseum III papyrus scroll (that which is still in existence today) actually consists of various bits and pieces. However, (as luck would have it) at least one of the sections that made mention of Medical Cannabis is still very much intact. [see picture below].

 

As most Egyptologists put the date of the scroll at around 1,700 BC, this would make it one of the oldest known medical references on the subject.

 

[Part of Plate A26 - Courtesy of the "British Museum of London"

Ramesseum III -- Read from top to bottom

 

A translation of the above reads as follows:

" A treatment for the eyes: celery;

hemp

; is ground and left in the dew overnight. Both eyes of the patient are to be washed with it early in the morning."

--- (RAM IIIA 26) An Ancient Egyptian Herbal by L. Manniche p82

 

 

Pictures -- Courtesy of the "British Museum of London" [Not for commercial use]

 

 

 

http://antiquecannab...B/Egypt/Ram.htm

[peanutbutter]

Sure it is intriguing. I would love for it to be true just because of how it would effect cannabis status in this country where so many people consider themselves religious. However I am a strong believer in reporting history honestly.

 

Yep ..

 

Some facts .. anointing seems to have been central to both Judaism and Christianity. Going so far as to name Christianity after it. From Greek .. Kristos = "the anointed one" Kristianos = "little anointed ones"

 

The oil used seems to have had both healing and antiseptic properties. The intended usage was for it to be applied to both people and things to make "clean."

 

Hemp was very common in the area. So common, in fact, that a geographical region was named after the tall fibrous plants growing there "cane." The land of Canaan. The land of paradise. The land of milk and honey. (produced by bees gathering hemp pollen and cows eating cannabis flowers) .. OK .. we got off on hard to prove stuff.

 

It has been historically proven that cannabis grew wild there. It is easier on the minds of many if you say "hemp grew wild there."

 

I was used for both fiber and medicine. A dig of a grave dated about 400 AD found a young woman that died in childbirth with a wad of cannabis that had been inserted into her vagina. Possibly in an attempt to stop blood flow. Probably a food stock also.

 

The fishermen on the Sea of Galilee had boats with hemp fiber sails.

 

It is unlikely that such a commonly used material would not have been mentioned in the Bible. Such unlikelihood would tend to support the idea of some sort of mistranslation.

[greenbuddha]

PB, I think a person could realistically assume that cannabis was used in the 'past' for the very same reasons for which it is used in 'current' times... medication, recreation AND 'religious purposes'.

 

We humans have NOT changed that much since then.

 

And because we ARE human, we will always have a multitude of views on any subject... including this one... but I for one enjoy these discussions... I always learn something.. even if what I learned I might not agree with.

[+420Atheist]

no offense taken...ask away lol. To be honest im not sure what your definitions for those terms are so i wont claim one or the other. yes im a pagan... i chose to follow the path my ancestors did, or as close to it as i can. I guess you could say im a neo pagan as im not dead so im not the old pagans lol. im not wiccan, i dont attend any groups or anything. I tend to desire the characteristics my ancestors admired in their gods, strength honor self sacrifice etc... i hold very highly my ancestors both the European and the "native" side. Most of all I worship nature i hold life above all else. I see no more value in the life of man than that of the trees.... we all vibrate.srry this is way off topic shoulda put in a pm maybe...oh well woop me for it.lol

 

I did the pagan thing for a while. I considered myself a Celtic Reconstructionist. The really tough part was Druids did not write anything down. All practices were passed down by word of mouth so any information comes from writers like Cesar which being the enemy of the Celts were probably more propaganda than factual. Do you follow any specific deity?

[peanutbutter]

PB, I think a person could realistically assume that cannabis was used in the 'past' for the very same reasons for which it is used in 'current' times... medication, recreation AND 'religious purposes'.

 

OH no .. we only learned to burn it in 1937.