No Smoking

[Sledge]

Michigan smokers are about to be more limited on where they can smoke tobacco!

 

New Michigan "No Smoking" Law

 

3/8/2010

 

Robert J. Chovanec

 

Effective May 1, 2010, Michigan PA 188 of 2009 will prohibit smoking in any "place of employment" in

 

Michigan, with narrow exceptions for Detroit casinos and for certain "cigar bars," "tobacco specialty retail stores" and home offices.

 

"Place of employment" is defined as: ". . . an enclosed indoor area that contains 1 or more work areas for 1 or more persons employed by a public or private employer." "Place of employment" does not include a motor vehicle or outdoor areas.

 

"Smoking" is defined as: ". . . the burning of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe, or any other matter or substance that contains a tobacco product."

 

The new law requires employers to take the following actions:

 

Clearly and conspicuously post "no smoking" signs or the international "no smoking" symbol at the entrances to and in every building or other area where smoking is

prohibited.

 

Remove all ashtrays and other smoking paraphernalia from anywhere smoking is prohibited.

 

Inform individuals smoking in violation of this Act that they are in violation of state law and subject to penalties.

 

Ask an individual smoking in violation of this Act to refrain from smoking and, if the

 

individual continues to smoke in violation of the Act, ask him or her to leave the place of employment.

 

A person who violates the new law is subject to a civil fine of up to $100 for a first violation and up to $500

for a second or subsequent violation. A person alleging violation of the new law may bring an action for

injunctive relief within 60 days after being on premises where smoking is prohibited by the new law.

 

The new law prohibits an employer from taking any retaliatory or adverse personnel action against an

employee on the basis of the individual’s exercise of or attempt to exercise his or her rights regarding a

place of employment (presumably, the right to insist that smoking not occur in the place of employment).

 

 

Warner Norcross & Judd

www.wnj.com

 

What's next???

[TheSmartestManAlive]

Michigan smokers are about to be more limited on where they can smoke tobacco!

 

New Michigan "No Smoking" Law

 

3/8/2010

 

Robert J. Chovanec

 

Effective May 1, 2010, Michigan PA 188 of 2009 will prohibit smoking in any "place of employment" in

 

Michigan, with narrow exceptions for Detroit casinos and for certain "cigar bars," "tobacco specialty retail stores" and home offices.

 

"Place of employment" is defined as: ". . . an enclosed indoor area that contains 1 or more work areas for 1 or more persons employed by a public or private employer." "Place of employment" does not include a motor vehicle or outdoor areas.

 

"Smoking" is defined as: ". . . the burning of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe, or any other matter or substance that contains a tobacco product."

 

The new law requires employers to take the following actions:

 

Clearly and conspicuously post "no smoking" signs or the international "no smoking" symbol at the entrances to and in every building or other area where smoking is

prohibited.

 

Remove all ashtrays and other smoking paraphernalia from anywhere smoking is prohibited.

 

Inform individuals smoking in violation of this Act that they are in violation of state law and subject to penalties.

 

Ask an individual smoking in violation of this Act to refrain from smoking and, if the

 

individual continues to smoke in violation of the Act, ask him or her to leave the place of employment.

 

A person who violates the new law is subject to a civil fine of up to $100 for a first violation and up to $500

for a second or subsequent violation. A person alleging violation of the new law may bring an action for

injunctive relief within 60 days after being on premises where smoking is prohibited by the new law.

 

The new law prohibits an employer from taking any retaliatory or adverse personnel action against an

employee on the basis of the individual’s exercise of or attempt to exercise his or her rights regarding a

place of employment (presumably, the right to insist that smoking not occur in the place of employment).

 

 

Warner Norcross & Judd

www.wnj.com

 

What's next???

 

 

Don`t you just love progressives?

[mizerman]

Don`t you just love progressives?

YES! Sure to ruffle some feathers - but I am very happy that when my wife and I go out to eat (starting this Saturday) or play cards that we won't have to put up with all the cigarette smoke.

 

Sorry.

 

Mizerman

 

p.s. nothing against cigarette smokers - just don't smoke next to me - go outside

[herb green]

Its F***ing posion

 

darn right...

 

I just quit the stuff again

 

And i wont be going back

 

Way back when...It sort of covered dope

 

Now we have vapes...so dont smoke

 

Nicotine constricts bronchia lung air passage ways and artries...constricts blood flow

 

Its bad juju

 

You feel the need to use it...do it at home

 

I used the best tobacco available organic US grown w/ no additives and still got sick from it...It will kill you eventually

 

QUIT

[+Silverblue]

Hey there's a lot of people who are severely allergic to smoke and they just wanna breathe! Cigarettes are addictive and secondhand smoke is a health hazard. Make fun of progressives all you want but this is a matter of public health, I know some severely affected people who cannot go to some places because of the smoke, they get very ill and almost throw up. You wanna smoke yourself to death be my guest but don't kill others in the process. I know a woman who's parents smoked while her mom was carrying her, and all during her childhood, she can hardly breathe, her life is a living hell. If I were smoking and someone said it bothered them I would stop and that would include MM if it were me smoking that. People have the right to breathe.

 

Silverblue

[christinax4]

phew, thanks for posting this...was wondering when someone would be doing so...

 

Here's a little article i found, for those of us who LOVE SMOKING...

 

"Cigarettes are great. They add character to already highly entertaining monologues. Smoking is alluring, it's sexy, it's mysterious. It enhances moods. It's artistic. It's tortured. And it feels really. making whoopee. good. "

 

to read the entire article, go here:

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/wdc/34529205.html

 

I don't condone smoking in public either, unless u are in a smokers-only bar (which apparently they have in D.C.? Lots of smokers there, eh?)

[boroboro]

What if you live near a bar or late night restaurant? In a few weeks you would likely not be a supporter of this law. There will be lots of loud, drunk smokers outside of bars late at night. Here in this little town, that will likely irritate a few dozen homeowners close to downtown who might have their windows open at night.

 

Might not happen here, but that's the scene my brother told me about in two other states that have gone totally non-smoking.

 

P.S.: no offense to smokers -- there are plenty of loud, drunk non-smokers also; I just think they're more likely to stay inside the bar.

[Sledge]

[TheSmartestManAlive]

Hey there's a lot of people who are severely allergic to smoke and they just wanna breathe! Cigarettes are addictive and secondhand smoke is a health hazard. Make fun of progressives all you want but this is a matter of public health, I know some severely affected people who cannot go to some places because of the smoke, they get very ill and almost throw up. You wanna smoke yourself to death be my guest but don't kill others in the process. I know a woman who's parents smoked while her mom was carrying her, and all during her childhood, she can hardly breathe, her life is a living hell. If I were smoking and someone said it bothered them I would stop and that would include MM if it were me smoking that. People have the right to breathe.

 

Silverblue

 

 

 

Yeah i guess just not going to smoking bars is out of the question huh?

[Moss]

I'm not happy about this.

 

I support no smoking everywhere except bars. Drinking and smoking go hand in hand. Restaurants should be no smoking, everything else already is but bars should be left alone. Bars already have the option to be no smoking but the demand isn't there for them to do it.

 

That said I will be heading out to a bar tonight for the first time in a long time to enjoy the wings game to enjoy freedom one last time.

[christinax4]

i wonder if bar owners support this...i would think this will cut into their business?

[+Silverblue]

I talked to some people about that who said they'd go to the bars now, especially if a band they like is playing there.

 

Silverblue

[Arslan]

I lived in colorado when there smoking ban took place and I agree everywhere else is fine leave the bars alone but thats just my opinion. Bar owners out here have no idea of the headache its gonna cause them till they get used to it. When drunks want to take there drink outside and some bars wont let them. Adding extra Security outside for all the people smoking on the deck. All the people throwing there cigs all over the place around the bars doors dont think for a second the majority of the people will use ashtrays outside because they don't.

 

For the most part its a wash on bar buisness from what I noticed working at a bar during the whole ordeal. You will lose some customers but you will gain some of the non smokers which don't really spend that much money on drinks. That is just what I experienced.

[greenbuddha]

Cough... cough... cough... Sorry... but can't hear ya for the smoke.

[stonecrowe316]

YES! Sure to ruffle some feathers - but I am very happy that when my wife and I go out to eat (starting this Saturday) or play cards that we won't have to put up with all the cigarette smoke.

 

Sorry.

 

Mizerman

 

p.s. nothing against cigarette smokers - just don't smoke next to me - go outside

right on mizerman ,,m marijuana is healthier any way...lol

[Sledge]

Like the law or not its still the government taking away peoples rights>

I no longer smoke, have quit for 10 years now, but still believe these no smoking

laws are somewhat of discrimination I look at it this way, you don't like what's on tv, change the channel,

if you don't like the smoke go somewhere else. I really can't see stopping smoking in bars

and certain places like that. Once you start loosing freedoms over a cause, is it worth it in

the long run?

[MightyMightyMezz]

U-M is making is illegal to smoke on campus inside or outside.

[CherryCrush]

This is a Christian Right movement law. It is called legislating morality.

 

If so many non smokers wanted non smoking bars, why didnt they just open one themselves?

 

Because there arent enough to sustain a business.

 

Just what the state needed, another law that will cost the state jobs.

[TheSmartestManAlive]

Wow this ranking system is really good idea. So now if we disagree with someone, we try and hurt there reputation?

[Silverback]

I am glad that this is finally through. To tell you the truth I'm sick of going to eat and as soon as I get my food the people next to me light up a smoke and it always seems to travel right to my face. Here let me make an example, you sit down to eat and I come over start burning plastic by you are you going to enjoy that? Just kick the habit man... I did maybe that's why I hate it so much. I just thought of it as every time I took a hit I was getting that much closer to death. Sucking in death is all it is.

[______]

I'm a smoker and feel that the no smoking in workplaces is a great ideal. The fewer places I can smoke the less I smoke. I don't drink but wish they would have exempted bars. The loud drunks standing outside of neighborhood bars is going to problematic. I have several friends who only smoke when they are drinking, the two just seem to go together.

[tutman2006]

They dont have the funds to inforce the smoking ban. So light up while you eat just like usual!!

 

don't you all just love more government control... i hate being micro managed about everything!!! before you know it, it will be against the law to be over weight and we will get FAT tickets.

 

[herb green]

Yep

 

And also give your dog a ticket for pooping on the sidewalk!

 

You... FAT...cigarette smoking...out of shape LOSER!!!!!

 

Don't mess with me when I'm quitting this S***

 

Its been 8 days...and I will break you in half over my knee you poison pushing tea bagging morons!!!!!!

 

First of all the govt is not being taken over...Its ruled by corporations

 

Its corporatist...NOT socialist You Fools

 

And by the way SMOKING KILLS 500,000 people a year documented by the surgeon general

 

That's the ones they can count... What if we had a 911 style event every year killed just 5,000 people...all hell would break loose

 

This product used as directed...will kill your donkey dead

 

Just dont get started with the "taking away your rights"... super smokers

 

It's states and communities that decide these things and youre in the minority

 

Big Deal.....smoke weed! It kills zero people...Heck it might even be medicine

 

Take the tea bags out of your ears for ten seconds and listen to Ron Paul...he even spoke at a few tea party rallies...which by the way have devolved into a group of ignorant morons who also happen to be full-time idiots!

 

Figure out that Obama is not a socialist or communist there is no conspiracy

 

Just business....business as usual in washington

 

Get on the Ron Paul campain for Freedom if you want straight talk

 

ANd quit smoking Gooooooooooddamn it!!!!

 

Its F***ing Killing You and your children

 

Call this Number for Ron Paul's weekly message...

1-888-322-1414 NOW!!!!

[TheSmartestManAlive]

Yep

 

And also give your dog a ticket for pooping on the sidewalk!

 

You... FAT...cigarette smoking...out of shape LOSER!!!!!

 

Don't mess with me when I'm quitting this S***

 

Its been 8 days...and I will break you in half over my knee you poison pushing tea bagging morons!!!!!!

 

First of all the govt is not being taken over...Its ruled by corporations

 

Its corporatist...NOT socialist You Fools

 

And by the way SMOKING KILLS 500,000 people a year documented by the surgeon general

 

That's the ones they can count... What if we had a 911 style event every year killed just 5,000 people...all hell would break loose

 

This product used as directed...will kill your donkey dead

 

Just dont get started with the "taking away your rights"... super smokers

 

It's states and communities that decide these things and youre in the minority

 

Big Deal.....smoke weed! It kills zero people...Heck it might even be medicine

 

Take the tea bags out of your ears for ten seconds and listen to Ron Paul...he even spoke at a few tea party rallies...which by the way have devolved into a group of ignorant morons who also happen to be full-time idiots!

 

Figure out that Obama is not a socialist or communist there is no conspiracy

 

Just business....business as usual in washington

 

Get on the Ron Paul campain for Freedom if you want straight talk

 

ANd quit smoking Gooooooooooddamn it!!!!

 

Its F***ing Killing You and your children

 

Call this Number for Ron Paul's weekly message...

1-888-322-1414 NOW!!!!

 

 

Wow this is why people shouldnt post when they are drunk, it comes out in a mumbled mess that not only is ignorant but insane as well lol. I will give you this, it was pretty darn funny to read.

[Silverback]

He is right though, why should your actions harm others around you. Just because you want to have your smoke after dinner doesn't mean that I want to...Its like saying "AFTER I DRINK I LIKE TO DRIVE MY CAR!", well you cant. Its the law. Get over it.