Patient Caregiver Issues!

[phaquetoo]

Ok we have been reading alot about patients not liking their c,g's and c,g's not like their pt's! There has been alot of talk of a free oz a month to patients who give c.g's their grow rites! There has also been alot of talk of c.g's getting a contract signed by their pt's (k now im gonna start ducking cause im sure a lot of stuff is gonna be slung my way) I have 1 question for everyone,(c.g's and pt's alike) who hires who? who fills out the form and pays(yea ok alot of c.gs pay the 10 bucks to become c.g to pt) It is the patient who assigns a c.g, not the other way around! It is the patient who should be getting a contract from their c.g, making sure that c.g can keep up with the patients needs, meaning have a back up plan in case something happens to the grow! (i dont care what the back up plan is) The c.g needs to make an endless supply available to the patient! I beleive if I appoint (hire) a c.g That the 12 plants I give them the right to grow. Are their plants and responsiblilty untill pt and c.g part in their ways, and than the c.g needs to do what ever they feel is nesicary with the 12 plants they no longer have rights too! Once change of c.g or unasign c/g happens! (I dont belive they are my plants at time of ties being cut, if c.g wants to give them to me fine, if not fine) one point, it is pt. responsibility to tell c.g they are being let go, the state dont send them anything! Now I have seriously been looking for a c.g on here, w/o many reply's or inquiry's. maybe people think im b.s ing or something, Im good, I can get what i need most times, At this time me and my lady both are legal and both have our own grow rites, I have been thinking of giving up her rights to the rite person, but realy havent had anyone contact me , I also have been talking to friends who have friends who are c.g's, I get their meds alot of times, This persons slots are all filled at this time, He and his woman are both legal pt's, he has 5 pt's he is c.g to, He is going to start having his wife be a c.g also, what they offer is 4 of the 12 plants they grow for you every crop, the whole plants 4 of them, and then anything after that they are offering meds from 125 to 175 no more no matter what, I told them I want them to fill out a contract that I make that states that, and if ever they dont come thru with their part, I FIRE THEM!!

 

YES I FIRE THEM! why becuase i hired them, just like i hire my dr. or lawyer or landscaper or plumber, well you get the jist?

There are way to many c.g's promising pt's what they cant deliver, im sure just like the cg I have been talking to, but I will tell you this, I will hire a c..g that is offering a free zip a month, but you best have meds available NOW! I have my card and im not waiting till my 12 plants are ready. If that is how you start as a cg than DONT!

If a c.g offers me an oz a month free, I expect 6 zips the day we mail in the forms, and If i want more than a zip a month, I want it for 150 a zip PERIOD!

and if in 6 months you want to keep being my c.g and your meds are topshelf, I will keep you if you come and give me 6 more zips for the following 6 months!

 

Like it or leave it! There are too many people using the system to become legal pot sellers. I have had my own bad experience with a c.g and have personaly heard of several other pts who have been screwed by so called compassionate c.g's (im sure there are a few good ones out there but most are not)

 

Like the old saying goes alot of good people go into politics, but alot of bad people come out!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[phaquetoo]

alot of good c.g's go into the business of compassion, but alot of bad ones come out!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[BudJones]

The answer is to grow your own.

 

1-2 oz a month of personal meds can be grown economically in a small and stealthy area by almost anyone.

 

Overgrow MI

[jon165]

I tried that. I have very limited space though and limited time. My first grow wasn't very successful largely for these reasons. I also don't have money to afford the kinds of prices most caregivers/dispensaries want.

[phaquetoo]

The answer is to grow your own.

 

1-2 oz a month of personal meds can be grown economically in a small and stealthy area by almost anyone.

 

Overgrow MI

 

 

some times circumstances happen and you dont feel comfortable growing at home! I wouldnt want anything to happen to our kids, cps are bad enough to deal with, I dont need the mm brought into the picture also!

 

So some people just cant grow for good reasons!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[MichiganMan]

If a c.g offers me an oz a month free, I expect 6 zips the day we mail in the forms, and If i want more than a zip a month, I want it for 150 a zip PERIOD!

and if in 6 months you want to keep being my c.g and your meds are topshelf, I will keep you if you come and give me 6 more zips for the following 6 months!

 

This made me lol...

[+420Atheist]

I think you are partially correct. In a way you hire the caregiver but it is not really that simple. There is no one set way for the caregiver/patient relationship to work. It really is about expectations. Even when both parties have good intentions if they don't have the same expectations then things go bad. The expectations should be in writing whether the contract comes from the patient or caregiver I don't think much matters. I don't consider the contract for legal purposes but so both parties can remind each other what was agreed to.

 

One fundamental point of contention is if caregivers are allowed to make a profit. The law allows for compensation for their time and I feel it is appropriate for them to make a reasonable profit for their efforts. People go to work every day for none profit organizations but they personally make a wage for their efforts. If you take that possibility away think how hard caregivers will be to find then.

[phaquetoo]

Mich man Glad you got a good laugh!

 

420, In no way do i not believe a cg should not profit . You know as well as I know that 2 good plants every 90 days or so will take care of me, and most peeps, That leaves 10 plants per patient for profit and to pay the bills and cost! If people dont know how to grow or dont have the room then their yeild will be alot less!

 

If I was to grow for me and 5 patients, i would not have to grow all 72 plants to keep a steady flow of meds and easily give them a free zip or two every now and than, IF I WAS TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE LIMITS, ID HAVE TO GIVE THE bunny muffin AWAY!

 

you MICH MAN make me lmfao!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[kruztydj]

A good c/g will never have anything over as they know how to dial the grow down to just what thier patients need. I mean we could grow tress and have tons over but the law doesn't allow for this. So dialing and really knowing how to control a grow is key to being a caregiver. A caregiver that has to give meds away to keep patients is either new to the game and trying to learn or wanting your plant count for other reasons.Becareful of who your dealing with.....

[pic book]

The thing you say that makes sense to me is you mentor a start-up caregiver and give him/her your wife's rights to grow. He gets patient one registered and becomes legal to grow, he gets tutoring, you show the beginner how to grow and get an agreement in writing that in return for you successfully guiding him to make a great crop, you and wife get so much meds at such and such a rate, whatever you and nubie start-up caregiver agree on.

[bobandtorey]

I tried that. I have very limited space though and limited time. My first grow wasn't very successful largely for these reasons. I also don't have money to afford the kinds of prices most caregivers/dispensaries want.

 

 

i no it;s hard to come up with the money for Meds we don't buy ether because we do not have the money it really is not that hard to grow you should go to a meeting they can help

[bobandtorey]

Mich man Glad you got a good laugh!

 

420, In no way do i not believe a cg should not profit . You know as well as I know that 2 good plants every 90 days or so will take care of me, and most peeps, That leaves 10 plants per patient for profit and to pay the bills and cost! If people dont know how to grow or dont have the room then their yeild will be alot less!

 

If I was to grow for me and 5 patients, i would not have to grow all 72 plants to keep a steady flow of meds and easily give them a free zip or two every now and than, IF I WAS TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE LIMITS, ID HAVE TO GIVE THE bunny muffin AWAY!

 

you MICH MAN make me lmfao!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

 

If I was to grow for me and 5 patients, i would not have to grow all 72 plants to keep a steady flow of meds

 

i under stand that but if something would happen to the plants i think that most CG do the 72 is because you never know inn this case better be safe

[+420Atheist]

Well if you are as poor a grower as I am it may take more than two plants every 90 days. I get your point about caregivers are probably growing more than a single patient can use if they are growing 12 plants for them.

 

When you look back on the issues you had with caregivers would the situation have been different if there had been something in writing?

[roadworkahead]

I agree, its nice to give some free, but all of it? if your not growing your full potential bump up the plant counts, get rid of overages to dispenses and do patient to patient transfrers! and get compensated!

 

Peace

Good Luck To You!

FTW

Jim

 

p.s i want you as a c.g, just give me 4 of my plants every crop time and do what you want with the other 8!

 

Jim, Do not understand your request. you want 4 of your plants every crop, do what you want with the rest of the 8!? well here's how it really is!

4 plants will always be in the seed/clone stage, 4 will always be in veggie stage, and 4 will be in flowering stage. That is the best and only way for patients to have an uninterrupted supply. how would this work for the caregiver? you would get all the medicine every crop time of 4 plants?

 

If you receive 4 plants worth of medicine at a time then you would be over the legal limit? correct?

Also: On suggesting caregivers to get rid of overages to dispensaries and do patient to patient transfers.... many do not want to be test cases in your suggested scenarios.

Also consider, if a patient only needs an ounce per month then a good caregiver doesn't need to grow all 12 plants, creating overages. the cycle could be 1-2 plants in seed/clone stage, 2 in veggie stage and 2 in flowering stage. with the patient compensating the caregiver for time growing, harvesting, clipping, and curing, watering, fertilizing for the 2 flowering plants.(perhaps the rest in storage by caregiver for the next month supply or in case more than the usual the next month.

I am also of the opinion that no $$$ should ever be in the hands of someone that did not grow the medicine. also keep in mind 4 plants is not just 4 plants. instead of small perpetual grows, someone might have 4 huge trees. do you get all?

 

also, if someone(patient) is a member of a collective/ dispensary having a personal caregiver through the collective, they pay a membership to join, do the patients as members receive FREE MEDS from their collective caregiver?

thank you for your time.

[kruztydj]

Alot of folks dont understand, when we say 12 it's only the few of the 12 thats in bloom at a time not the whole 12. I can always tell a newb by the way they talk about growing 12. Sure ya can grow 12 at once but then your waiting 3 months for your next batch. Indoors you will only get 2 to 3 zips a plant and thats runnin a 5000 dollar grow room. They think ya get lb upon lb from plants which is not the case. Most caregivers like myself only run whats needed so we dial the grows small so we dont have anything over. We can do this cuz we know how to grow and know what, which stain will throw so we dail them down. Most newbs cant understand this and think we grow tons at once. No we don't,,, we grow just whats needed as we cant afford to waste the costs on overages. This stuff is not as easy as it seems. They'll find out shortly as most wont listen to what your trying to tell them anyways. Hell,,, I've had my donkey jumped from folks thinking they can get 2 lbs from each plant. Good luck pal is all I can say and then ya get bitched out for telling thme it wont grow that much............ F'in crazy.

 

 

Newbs will find out this is not easy bunny muffin. Yes it's good money but like EVERYTHING ELSE ya have to work for it.

 

Maybe it's the work part they dont understand.

[phaquetoo]

Well if you are as poor a grower as I am it may take more than two plants every 90 days. I get your point about caregivers are probably growing more than a single patient can use if they are growing 12 plants for them.

 

When you look back on the issues you had with caregivers would the situation have been different if there had been something in writing?

 

 

No in all honesty! It would have wound up the same! im almost 48 and fell for the talk! so I think things would have still ended up like they did! c.g took the deposit and ran, I only seen him one other time after signing him on!

 

I have been growing for yrs! I dont worry about all the stuff these new growers worry about, it is a whole lot simpler than people could ever think, I dont know if you seen my first 6 weeks of my free hillbilly grow, but i didnt give them nothing but cheap plant food and water once a week out doors, they were well on there way, only thing I needed to watch was for thieves that would steal it, my whole pointe to grow it was to show how easy it was to get a good crop for what mother nature supplys! besided the 1.89 plant food i got (not miracle grow)

 

and now that im in this legaly, I have been talking to a whole lot of people and not just on here, in real life face to face, who have all been screwed by a c.g!

 

You know I dont think people like to hear this, but if a c.g approached me and offered me the 6 zips up front to sign them, id do it, cause I realy dont care who else they are supply (dealing) dont matter to me, give me up front for 6 months and go make some cash, they get popped doing something wrong, I got mine, and I find another c.g! not so hard.

 

and Im not realy in a position to grow where i live at this time,,my ole lady has a jealious ex who got cps on us, he was hoping it would make me leave. or convince her to make me leave, seeings how my police record is not that good, and the cps people are focusing on me more than anyone else in this case! I can deal with them it is the ex who will need to watch his back for the rest of his life not me!!

 

and as most know the hardest part of an indoor grow, dirt or hydro, is the lites, fans, pumps , nutes, ect. If you are already set up with all of that sruff and you been helping people obtain weed for 30 yrs, its not hard to take on pt,s and give them and imediate supply of meds!!

 

I dont want anything to do with a newbie grower as my c.g, I want and experienced grower, wtf would i care what they do with the meds i dont use? becuase i dont want them to go to jail? um sorry, I been to jail becuase i broke the law, if they do they should go to jail also!

 

My biggest point is i guess is id like to find a c.g who is either compasionate and is fair priced and knows how to grow good meds, or and expereinced grower who is just out to get their plant counts up, the ladder will have no prob meeting my contract needs!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[phaquetoo]

Alot of folks dont understand, when we say 12 it's only the few of the 12 thats in bloom at a time not the whole 12. I can always tell a newb by the way they talk about growing 12. Sure ya can grow 12 at once but then your waiting 3 months for your next batch. Indoors you will only get 2 to 3 zips a plant and thats runnin a 5000 dollar grow room. They think ya get lb upon lb from plants which is not the case. Most caregivers like myself only run whats needed so we dial the grows small so we dont have anything over. We can do this cuz we know how to grow and know what, which stain will throw so we dail them down. Most newbs cant understand this and think we grow tons at once. No we don't,,, we grow just whats needed as we cant afford to waste the costs on overages. This stuff is not as easy as it seems. They'll find out shortly as most wont listen to what your trying to tell them anyways. Hell,,, I've had my donkey jumped from folks thinking they can get 2 lbs from each plant. Good luck pal is all I can say and then ya get bitched out for telling thme it wont grow that much............ F'in crazy.

 

 

Newbs will find out this is not easy bunny muffin. Yes it's good money but like EVERYTHING ELSE ya have to work for it.

 

Maybe it's the work part they dont understand.

 

krusty, I wouldnt dial down my grow for nothing, you want overages, and experienced grower is going to get the most out fo their grow, and worry about the overages when they crop it, I dont worry about overages, aint no one gonna find me with overages! maybe your a lil younger than me and afraid to sit in a jail cell for a nite or 2! or new your selff, just like c.c meeting are fairly new,,,realy new compared to where im at in this war! or maybe your a newbie grower, no offense!(did you start growing when you became legal) I dial down my furnace for the rest of the house at nite and when im not home, but i dont dial down my yeild!!! thats seems a waiste of time and money to me!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

 

the only people that are not newbies to growing have been doing it since you were just a wink in your daddy's eyes!

[phaquetoo]

I agree, its nice to give some free, but all of it? if your not growing your full potential bump up the plant counts, get rid of overages to dispenses and do patient to patient transfrers! and get compensated!

 

Peace

Good Luck To You!

FTW

Jim

 

p.s i want you as a c.g, just give me 4 of my plants every crop time and do what you want with the other 8!

 

Jim, Do not understand your request. you want 4 of your plants every crop, do what you want with the rest of the 8!? well here's how it really is!

4 plants will always be in the seed/clone stage, 4 will always be in veggie stage, and 4 will be in flowering stage. That is the best and only way for patients to have an uninterrupted supply. how would this work for the caregiver? you would get all the medicine every crop time of 4 plants?

 

If you receive 4 plants worth of medicine at a time then you would be over the legal limit? correct?

Also: On suggesting caregivers to get rid of overages to dispensaries and do patient to patient transfers.... many do not want to be test cases in your suggested scenarios.

Also consider, if a patient only needs an ounce per month then a good caregiver doesn't need to grow all 12 plants, creating overages. the cycle could be 1-2 plants in seed/clone stage, 2 in veggie stage and 2 in flowering stage. with the patient compensating the caregiver for time growing, harvesting, clipping, and curing, watering, fertilizing for the 2 flowering plants.(perhaps the rest in storage by caregiver for the next month supply or in case more than the usual the next month.

I am also of the opinion that no $$$ should ever be in the hands of someone that did not grow the medicine. also keep in mind 4 plants is not just 4 plants. instead of small perpetual grows, someone might have 4 huge trees. do you get all?

 

also, if someone(patient) is a member of a collective/ dispensary having a personal caregiver through the collective, they pay a membership to join, do the patients as members receive FREE MEDS from their collective caregiver?

thank you for your time.

 

 

I guess im leading people to beleive i dont know how to grow, do you think im looking for a c.g that only has me as a patient? absolutly not, there are way more c.g out there doing it to make a profit, not compassion, they just found a legal way to grow and sell their product, do you realy think people like that (me) are worried about overages, if a c.g has 5 patients they are going to have way more than 12 in bloom, and 12 in veg, and 12 in clones, and mothers,,I guess you think im a newbie, I have room in my budd room for 40 plants! same for veg! no offense but im not talking about the c.g's who think they are holier than though, and just wont do anything against the law! oh god forbid to have some overages, overages is what helps c.g's who are compassionate be compassionate, and it helps the dealers get a bigger plant count! why would I care what a c.g does with the rest of my plants? as long as I get my endless supply!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[Guest Happy Guy]

Krusty has been around the block..... too many times. LOL He just means you could rotate 4(for each patient) in and out of your rooms instead of growing 12 all at once and sitting on it for 3 months. It acually gives you the same yield just not all at the same time. Spreads the work out a little too. Just depends on the way you like to work it and how good a stash spot you have.

[phaquetoo]

If I was to grow for me and 5 patients, i would not have to grow all 72 plants to keep a steady flow of meds

 

i under stand that but if something would happen to the plants i think that most CG do the 72 is because you never know inn this case better be safe

 

 

Bob Im gonna knock on wood before i say this!

 

I have not lost a whole grow in 30 yrs, still knocking, I know you did and how, and im sorry for that!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[Guest Happy Guy]

I guess im leading people to beleive i dont know how to grow, do you think im looking for a c.g that only has me as a patient? absolutly not, there are way more c.g out there doing it to make a profit, not compassion, they just found a legal way to grow and sell their product, do you realy think people like that (me) are worried about overages, if a c.g has 5 patients they are going to have way more than 12 in bloom, and 12 in veg, and 12 in clones, and mothers,,I guess you think im a newbie, I have room in my budd room for 40 plants! same for veg! no offense but im not talking about the c.g's who think they are holier than though, and just wont do anything against the law! oh god forbid to have some overages, overages is what helps c.g's who are compassionate be compassionate, and it helps the dealers get a bigger plant count! why would I care what a c.g does with the rest of my plants? as long as I get my endless supply!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

Jim,

You need to find someone right in the sweet spot. Not really trying to get rich but enjoys to grow and wants another part time job. They should be able to pass it on to you for around $200 if they grow efficiently. It's a beautiful thing to hand a primo ounce to a smiling faced patient and only ask for $200 for all that time, trouble, nutes, power bills, etc.

[phaquetoo]

Krusty has been around the block..... too many times. LOL He just means you could rotate 4(for each patient) in and out of your rooms instead of growing 12 all at once and sitting on it for 3 months. It acually gives you the same yield just not all at the same time. Spreads the work out a little too. Just depends on the way you like to work it and how good a stash spot you have.

 

 

ok happy guy! I understand that!

 

What would you like from me? my resume?

 

Do I realy need to tell you where to stash your stash!

 

I made a living driving from MI to Cali and back several times a yr! I will just leave it at that!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[Guest Happy Guy]

ok happy guy! I understand that!

 

What would you like from me? my resume?

 

Do I realy need to tell you where to stash your stash!

 

I made a living driving from MI to Cali and back several times a yr! I will just leave it at that!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

I know. This isn't your first rodeo. LOL

The stash... some people have teenagers and the stash deal gets a little more comlicated if you catch my drift. We all have our own level of acceptable risk. Once you get this 'limited growing' down, you can pump out meds just under the limit like nobodies business.

[1082]

If a c.g offers me an oz a month free, I expect 6 zips the day we mail in the forms, and If i want more than a zip a month, I want it for 150 a zip PERIOD!

and if in 6 months you want to keep being my c.g and your meds are topshelf, I will keep you if you come and give me 6 more zips for the following 6 months!

 

This made me lol...

 

I offer a similar deal to a couple of my patients. One of them gets an even better deal. Last run I gave a dude 9 whole plants (1 light) Free because he was in a tough spot. I know it will come back my way some day..

 

That being said, there's no way in HELL I would do any of that for someone who EXPECTS it.

[phaquetoo]

I offer a similar deal to a couple of my patients. One of them gets an even better deal. Last run I gave a dude 9 whole plants (1 light) Free because he was in a tough spot. I know it will come back my way some day..

 

That being said, there's no way in HELL I would do any of that for someone who EXPECTS it.

 

 

no prob! Than you wouldnt be my c.g! no biggie!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim