Nixon Had His 'enemy's List And Got Impeached; Obama Has His

[pic book]

'shut down' list of non-profits and deserves to be impeached.  If using a government agency that directs taxation in the country to directly hurt opposition candidiates is treason, (and I believe it is treason),  throw him out.  I twice voted for him but he's lost me, in fact, he is now on my list of enemies of the country and of a presidency run by laws. 

I've also in the past week swung to the belief that he is a wily liar who has the same lack of integrity that Richard Milhous Nixon showed.  On two counts; the use of the IRS to further him and hurt his opposition, and the second, the 'facts' now shown to be lies about Obama Care.  It was sold as "keep your own doctor, premiums will go down, and there will be no long lines."  Now it is clear it's false on all those counts.

So on healthcare I want him gone but on taxation, he has to go.  I've flip-flopped on him cause his tax actions are treason and high crimes against his fiduciary duty to be president of all the people. 

Edited May 28, 2013 by pic book

[Celliach]

Well Nixon's list was actually in Nixon's own handwriting.  He also had people burglarizing offices of his enemies to plant bugs.  That's a far cry from not knowing what was happening in an IRS office in Cleveland.  Not that I'm downplaying what happened at that IRS office.  None of the organizations were "shut-down" or even turned down either, they all got their tax exempt status.  The funny thing being that those organizations that were scrutinized didn't even have to file for the status anyway.

[Celliach]

Also, I'm still waiting to see how healthcare actually plays out instead of listening to all the hype and projections from either side.  We'll know for a fact in two years whether it works or not.

[solabeirtan]

With the passing of J Edgar Hoover [1970], Nixons' power knew no bounds. Known for ending the Vietnam War, while simultaneously opening Chinas' back door. He even seems to have picked up some of their own techniques for keeping the population in order, as evidenced by the Kent State Massacre and the "War on Drugs".

 

For all BHOs shortcomings, our interests [cannabis] have never seen such gains, as we have during his administration. 

[Chauncy Gardner]

I knew President Nixon, and Barack Obama,sir, is no President Nixon. Not even close.

[pic book]

Bengazi, Taxama, and 20,00 pages that The Office of Management and the Budget? 

[pic book]

I find it disingenuous that Congress heard testimony that the Director of the IRS was not involved; it was rogue low-level staffers only.  Now her signature has been found on an order ordering what the low-levels have been doing.  So the IRS director, just like the low-level staffers, was just a rogue doing it all  on her own?  She so hated the tea party and conservative groups, she had such a personal stake in politics to risk her career and be tarred in Congress as a liar?  Oh, give me a frickin' break.  Who would gain?  The head of the party?  Yeaaaah, maybe.   Maybe a lot to gain, like stay in office which is a politician's raisondetre.

[pic book]

I'm sick ,we got screwed over by a Harvard snake...yaaah, we got big 420 gains but, but now we face the destruction that occurs when a president topples himself.  Complete destruction to the country's morale, a generation that voted for salvation-change--and got the same old politics.  Creates disillusionment, apathy.  From the 1st inaugeration to this?

[Celliach]

Sounds like you're watching too much Fox News.

[Chauncy Gardner]

Sounds like you're watching too much Fox News.

 

 Yeah. I think this thing needs to play out before we start the hand wringing. Targeting these conservative groups (perhaps because they are the most egregious abusers of the 401c program?) will only result in all the 401c groups being scrutinized - conservative and liberal - which is maybe what the IRS wants. They may have started a controversy in order to shine a light on the abuse of the 401c program and thereby shut the whole scam down. I really hope this is the case. Someone may be crucified over this deal, but they may be sacrificing themselves in order to reform our political system.

 

Then again, it could very well be an ugly political mud pit.

[mrd]

Read the article on how Obama care has started out in CA.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/california-health-insurance-premiums_n_3328110.html

[solabeirtan]

Seems like a windfall for Insurance Corps. I thought it would be a bit cheaper.

 

It's still about a $100 cheaper than I was paying in Jan2013 for minimal HAP, no scripts, glasses or dental $420/mo

[till the $$ got funny, I had been paying for 30yrs, continous. Like 120k + co-pays.]

 

If just the 7.3 million CAs /wo insurance now all paid the avg $318 would be 2.3 Trillion[ 2.3x10¹² ] / yr.  Thats apx 15% or ¹/₈ of the Countrys'  Total GDP for 2013. Lotta GreenBacks.

 

 

 Having health insurance... priceless...

Edited May 30, 2013 by solabeirtan

[outsideinthecold]

Yeah, I knew Nixon too. I remember being a few clicks from Cambodia with my MAT Team partner Sgt. Snodgrass, two drafted Americans with a platoon of Montangards when Nixon talked on AFVN Radio and said the only reason any American troops were in VN was to protect other American troops. You can imagine how this went over with the two of us when it occurred simultaneously that the only reason he was there was to protect me and if both of us were gone neither would have to be there. So it goes.

 

That was then and this is now. Obama is hardly a transformational figure most, including myself expected. By now it is clear to most reasonable folks he is simply a speachifying politician and no different from any other politician.

 

Has Obama helped MMJ? Not that I can see. Maybe, maybe not. What has helped is the 63% that voted for MMJ in Michigan in spite of either party. What has helped is more than a majority of Americans now realize prohibition is a failed proposition as evidenced by the votes in Colorado and Washington. Did Obama or Holder help with that effort? Not a whit.

 

What does remain is the typical pro-party drum-beating we see here all too often for mindless reasons. Who says propaganda doesn't work?

 

This country has real problems and neither party has the answers. Both parties are run by politicians whose self-interest overides all other considerations.

 

Won't matter in the end simply because the majority of folks can't think any deeper than a typical bumper sticker vote accordingly. Self-interest and biases rule. The comments on this thread are proof. Including mine.

 

We are in the midst of an unsustainable spendathon that can only end badly. donkey, grass or cash, no one rides for free. This can only end badly. When you are speeding toward a abyss it doesn't matter who is driving.

 

Romney was a typical Republican fool but that doesn't make him worse than a Democratic fool.

Edited May 30, 2013 by outsideinthecold

[outsideinthecold]

Colorado adults, 21 and over, will be limited to purchasing up to an ounce of marijuana for recreational use from specialty licensed retail shops that can also sell pot-related items such as pipes and accessories. Coloradans can also grow up to six plants -- with only three flowering at a given time -- in their home for personal use. Adults can possess up to an ounce of marijuana legally.

 

HB-1317 and SB-283 requires that retailers properly label all marijuana products including warning labels, serving size and information on THC potency. Only Colorado residents can own or invest in the stores, KDVR reports, and when the first stores open around Jan. 1, 2014, for the first nine months, only existing medical marijuana dispensaries will be able apply for the recreational sales license.

 

According to The Denver Post, the first recreational marijuana stores to open would only be able to sell the marijuana that they have grown themselves, but come October 2014, that restriction would be lifted so stand-alone growers and retailers could open up for business.

 

HB-1317 also bans cities from opening pot shops and bans marijuana collectives that could skirt the new marijuana regulatory laws by growing and providing pot to members tax-free and below cost.

 

The bill also requires stores to treat marijuana magazines like pornography by placing them behind the counter.

 

House Bill 1318, outlines the taxes related to the legal marijuana market, proposing a 15 percent excise tax and 10 percent sales tax. However, due to Colorado's Taxpayers' Bill of Rights which requires that Coloradans vote on any tax increase, state voters will still need to weigh in on the tax question in the 2014 election.

 

Amendment 64 states that the first $40 million raised from the 15 percent excise tax would go to to school construction. And although many voters who supported A64 did so because it could raise money for schools, lawmakers are concerned that even fans of that excise tax rate and the use of its revenue could be turned off by a total tax rate of 25 percent, not including additional state and local taxes that could lead to marijuana taxes exceeding 30 percent in some areas.

 

The AP's Kristen Wyatt reported that some state lawmakers, fear that voters will reject one or both of the tax proposals leaving the state stuck with the tab for enforcing pot sales but without the budget to pay for it.

 

And although Coloradans are known to reject increased taxes when it comes to even popular state services -- take K-12 education improvement, for example -- when it comes to legal marijuana, state voters appear to be ready to buck that trend.

 

According to a recent survey from Public Policy Polling, 77 percent of Colorado voters support the 15 percent excise tax -- which Amendment 64 calls for and which is earmarked for public school construction -- as well as an additional 10 percent sales tax to cover the cost of regulating recreational marijuana sales. Only 18 percent of those surveyed were opposed to increased taxes on legal pot sales. The survey of 900 registered Colorado voters was conducted by Public Policy Polling from April 15-16.

 

In a statement, Amendment 64 backers said that state officials have told them that the cost to the state to enforce recreational marijuana regulations would not be greater than $30 million and said that the proposed 25 percent in taxes would still likely yield more than $60 million.

 

Hickenlooper has expressed support for the tax measure. "I'll certainly promote the marijuana question," Hickenlooper said to The Denver Post. "We need to make sure we have the resources to have a good regulatory framework to manage this."

 

Senate Bill 24 proposes the development of a regulatory framework for the commercial cultivation, processing, and distribution of industrial hemp.

 

Recently in Springfield, Colo. hemp farmer Ryan Loflin planted the nation's first major industrial hemp crop in almost 60 years.

 

House Bill 1325, a controversial measure which sets a THC-blood limit for Colorado motorists at 5 nanograms.

 

Under HB 1325, drivers caught with 5 nanograms of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana which produces the "high" sensation, in their blood would be considered too stoned to drive and could be ticketed similarly to a person who was considered too drunk to drive.

 

As in previous years when marijuana DUI bills have come up for debate, opponents say that the 5 nanogram standard is too low for frequent pot smokers, especially medical marijuana patients, who regularly have this level of THC in the bloodstream and therefore, if passed, these people would lose their driving privileges, The Denver Post reports.

 

But HB-1325 allows for a person who has been charged with having 5 nanograms of THC in their blood to rebut the charge that they are too impaired to drive.

 

"For example, if you did not exhibit poor driving, you can put that on as evidence to say, 'Look my driving was not poor, I'm not unsafe to operate a motor vehicle,'" Rep. Mark Waller (R-Colorado Springs) said during earlier hearings of an identical bill which was killed.

[solabeirtan]

How about this . You sign up for Obama Care. $300/mo. It includes cannabis as prescribed Meds. We get 400 joints a month. A pair of prescriptiion Rose colored glasses. A massage. ...

[outsideinthecold]

.....and let's print enough money to make every American a millionaire. By Jove, I think solabeirtan has is right....

Edited May 30, 2013 by outsideinthecold

[solabeirtan]

Yes of course oicold , it's all part of the plan! That's our income redistribution method. Its actually a branch of the famous  KEYnesian or was it Kenysian economics.

 

  We're rollin it up now, Rollin, Rollin, RawCanvas, .... peace.    Join the Party!   the Happy Veterans Party.

[phaquetoo]

'shut down' list of non-profits and deserves to be impeached.  If using a government agency that directs taxation in the country to directly hurt opposition candidiates is treason, (and I believe it is treason),  throw him out.  I twice voted for him but he's lost me, in fact, he is now on my list of enemies of the country and of a presidency run by laws. 

I've also in the past week swung to the belief that he is a wily liar who has the same lack of integrity that Richard Milhous Nixon showed.  On two counts; the use of the IRS to further him and hurt his opposition, and the second, the 'facts' now shown to be lies about Obama Care.  It was sold as "keep your own doctor, premiums will go down, and there will be no long lines."  Now it is clear it's false on all those counts.

So on healthcare I want him gone but on taxation, he has to go.  I've flip-flopped on him cause his tax actions are treason and high crimes against his fiduciary duty to be president of all the people. 

Like I said at least 4 yrs ago!  The Detroit zoo has an african lion, and the white house has a XXXX(president)!!! and I still believe that, and always will!

 

 

Peace

Jim

Edited May 31, 2013 by mibrains

[outsideinthecold]

John Maynard Keynes, the English economist and thinker, when asked as death approached if he had any regrets said only one.

 

"I wish I'd drunk more champagne."

 

If he knew how politicians of both parties have corrupted his teaching to justify unsustainable levels of debt-driven spending that will kill our economy he would have passed on the champagne and moved on to the hard stuff.

 

To heck with the future generations, let's max out the credit card so we can give food stamps to obese people and put pot smokers in jail. All in the name of public safety.

 

Really, does someone here actually believe the bull those politicians are selling? Really?

 

Like P.T. Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute. But that was then, we've got a lot more being born these days.

[phaquetoo]

Sounds like you're watching too much Fox News.

yea fox news with all the blonde babes and good news anchors!

 

Peace

Jim

 

p.s I bet you watch cnn eh? We need to get rid of the repubs and get our country back on track, like I said before mm is not the only thing wrong with this country, if you think it is, well maybe you dont watch any news. You actualy beleive that lying pres who hasnt done anything he promised the voters, he sold his soul to the devil and you I guess!

[pic book]

Jim I vote demo but that is still very very funny.

Like I said at least 4 yrs ago!  The Detroit zoo has an african lion, and the white house has a lying African!!! and I still believe that, and always will!

 

 

Peace

Jim

[Celliach]

yea fox news with all the blonde babes and good news anchors!

 

Peace

Jim

 

p.s I bet you watch cnn eh? We need to get rid of the repubs and get our country back on track, like I said before mm is not the only thing wrong with this country, if you think it is, well maybe you dont watch any news. You actualy beleive that lying pres who hasnt done anything he promised the voters, he sold his soul to the devil and you I guess!

No, I don't watch CNN.  I don't have TV at all.  I get all my news from various sources.  I spend about 2 to 3 hours every morning reading the news.  I'm really nauseous in the morning from pancreatitis and can't do much for a few hours anyway.  I try to have an actual understanding of the facts which is something I can't get from Fox, CNN, or MSNBC.  It's really kind of sad when you have to resort to overseas press to find out what's happening in your own country.  The three cable news outlets totally dumb down their broadcasts for the lower 49%*.  Fox is worse than others according to independent polls, with Fox viewers having the worst understanding of current affairs than viewers of other news stations.  

 

 

*Average is at the 50% mark, so 49% of the people are dumber than average.

.....and people wonder why everything is SNAFU.  Half the people running everything are just plain stupid.

[solabeirtan]

Ditto on your news approach Celli. It's kinda like painting a picture, the real picture, with each source representing a brush. And each brush has its own bias.

[Celliach]

By the way, Obama is American, not African.  Also, African is a misnomer itself.  It's like saying that you're North American, or calling a Brazilian a South American.  Residents of Kenya consider themselves Kenyan, not African.

[Celliach]

yea fox news with all the blonde babes and good news anchors!

 

Peace

Jim

 

p.s I bet you watch cnn eh? We need to get rid of the repubs and get our country back on track, like I said before mm is not the only thing wrong with this country, if you think it is, well maybe you dont watch any news. You actualy beleive that lying pres who hasnt done anything he promised the voters, he sold his soul to the devil and you I guess!

 

His two biggest promises that he ran on was ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Iraq is over and we will be out of Afghanistan soon.  He kept both of those.