Posting here is just fine, great in fact. It adds content to the blog. Sharing different experiences is a great asset for sure.

 

The anxious feeling could be attributed to the material used.

 

At this time I have not made any adjustments to the QWET method or instructions aside from only filing the vials to about half full due to the gassing. I still want to experiment this winter in making it since the air in my hose will be so dry from the wood heat.

 

Winterizing is primarily used to clean up the oil, however, if you ask me, much of what is removed is essential medicinal properties. It gives a higher THC product, but lower medicinal properties. I can direct you to SkunkPharms blog site, it has to do with polarity, they explain it pretty well, but I don't think they realize the medicinal properties being removed. Winterizing for me and possibly you is easy. It would be an extraction done with 99% iso dried and finished basically, diluted with grain alcohol 190 proof or higher, get it mixed well, store in a jar in the freezer for 48 to 72 hours, pour the liquid through a coffee filter, purge, dry, done, you have winterized oil. The grain alcohol attaches to a lot of the compounds in the 99% iso oil. Sadly, flavanoids is one element that gets removed. Oil that is really clean and clear may not taste nearly as good as an oil with color. Depending on the flavanoids. If the oil is potent I like it in a more virgin state, not winterized. I am sure with winterizing you loose a lot of CBDs and terpines. I must admit, winterized iso oil is the most potent. Winterized ND Sap provides an awesome buzz, extremely potent. The ND Sap vs. RSO, in my experience, the sap increases hunger more, assists with sleeping more, less anxiety, more medicinal properties, and the THC stays in your system longer too.

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/getting-the-green-and-waxes-out-afterwards/

 

I don't have experience with ingesting bud material. My thoughts are allowing the bud to naturally decarb, no heat, bone dry, stored in jars in a dark place, for 3 or 4 months, then consume. My guess is it will be more potent and more medicinal.

 

I do not have experience with tinctures, unless of course you would consider the ND Sap a tincture since it is liquid.

I have not heard of anyone removing the chlorophyll from a tincture. My opinion would be it is best to avoid the chlorophyll to begin with. Frozen extractions with high proof alcohol, and not a long soak. Especially if the chlorophyll bothers your stomach. 

 

I welcome your comments and sharing your experiences, always.

 

It is I who should be thanking you. I prefer it to be public. It can be very helpful to many. 

gg, made a batch of QWET this morning.  I've inclosed a pic of both "high" and "low" quality.

 

Question:  I'm unclear regarding the "evaporating" procedure.  Do you use a fan with the initial extract or just let it evaporate until most/all of the alcohol is gone?  Then, when it's in the purge pan, tip it, and run a slow fan across it?

 

I used one ounce of my best bud:  ½ oz of Cannatonic, ¼  of Jilly Bean and ¼ Girl Scout Cookies.  I'm please with the color of the high grade.  Based on your previous comments I could possibly expect a Tbsp of finished oil.  Sound right?  I ended up with 1 qt. of extracted liquid.  Thinking I may has used too much EA.

 

I use a fan on the initial extract

 

You will just end up with more water than desired. It will just take longer to evaporate. If you have to you can pour off the water. Although, I will assume you are running some form of heat and the air will be more dry.

Heat?  If you mean a furnace, yes.  I have the bowls in the basement - space issue - where it's about 65º and 50% humanity.  I'll just put a fan on them.  Last time it evaporated so quickly you may recall It got to dry on me.  Just have to watch closer. 

 

The other issue I had preparing this batch is that it takes forever for the extract to go through a coffee filter.  Have you experienced this? When the "stream" turns to a very slow drip - a drop/5 seconds or so, I pulled the filter, gently squeeze it out, and started a new filter.  Other suggestions?  

I use one of those reusable coffee filters. If I use a paper filter after that, it goes through more quickly being that it has already been filtered.

 

It filters through the paper filter very slow if the solvent is still very cold from the freezer.

 

Yes, the paper filtering can be a pain! I try to get the most filtered out with gravity and the reusable coffee filter because of what you have described with the paper filtering.

Just another warning to patients: Make the oil yourself, I cannot express that enough. Whether you grow the buds or obtain them other ways.

 

I truly feel sorry for Rick Simpson, I have seen his claims work for myself countless times. I truly believe he just wants to help people help themselves. Instead, others are trying to prosper using his name and providing low grade oil and praying on the sick.

 

 

Here is a link to his official facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rick-Simpson/298774923502987

I used to talk to stone crow on this site all of the time, also on the phone, he turned me onto an mm dr to get certified and I was very apreciative, it was back in 09, we talked alot, I think he had dial up on his p.c at the time, he used to have to get off of the computer so people could use the phone,,,He once asked my about clones, He said he wasnt doing well with them and I was getting 90 to 100% at the time, I still dont have a clone dome lol, I do it the old fasion way,,,I gave him advise and he did well after that, at least that is what he told me, I would call him when I had dr. appt's to try and go visit him, but it never came to happen, the last time I talked to him on the p.c he was in the hospital and not doing well, I dont know how we got to not talking to each other, when I make friends on here and exchange phone numbers I usualy become fast friends. I would have been happy to show him my oil making methods, he wasnt doin oil at the time, had I known more or been allowed to visit we would have gotten him on the oil program sooner,,,,I am realy thrilled that he found the oil cure either way, I actualy thought we lost him, like I said last time we communicated he was in the hospital and not doing to well,

 

Congrats Joe I am so happy you are doing well, I remember what your job was before you got cancer, I hope you are able to work or are being taken care of.....wow I just looked and I still have your phone number from back than, Im gonna have to call it and see if it is still good!

 

Peace My Friend!

Jim

I doubt you will reach him with that number. When I became his CG and treated him with the oil, it was very difficult to stay in contact with him. Every time he ran out of time on his phone, he would get a new number, one of those deals.

 

Then to top it off, he moved. I couldn't even reach him. I asked around all over for help in finding him and finally someone pointed me in the right direction, keep in mind, this was in the middle of his treatment and I knew he must have been getting low on oil. The biggest problem was the Chemo brain he was suffering from, a side effect from the treatments. The only place I have been able to reliably communicate with Joe is on FB. He doesn't  have chemo brain anymore and the last I saw he was doing great. He gained a lot of weight back. Still cancer free to this day. He lives in a really nice place in the woods with his family. They weren't too keen on cannabis use, keep in mind he is a minister. After 11 years of failures from the medical system is why he turned to cannabis. I met him at my compassion club. I knew about his cancer and as soon as I learned about RSO, I made some and tracked him down and asked if he wanted to try it, he said YES. Now he is making his own oil. His family have come to accept cannabis as medicine. That is the impression I get. Joe is a great guy.

 

I will PM you Jim with his FB page. He would probably be happy to hear from you.

Okay, I did two test runs of the ND Sap made with grain alcohol.

 

I haven't shown a picture of the first one yet, it is not pretty, but it is really good oil. That was made with my 4-G strain which typically give me the cleanest looking oil when made with iso.

 

Here is a picture of the oil I made with Strawberry Cough and grain alcohol, not too bad looking. Strawberry Cough usually makes my more dirty looking oil when made with iso. Big difference on the color of the oil iso vs. grain.  In this picture I did the most clean extract I could do. I got just under 4 grams of the premium oil out of an ounce of buds.

I use one of those reusable coffee filters. If I use a paper filter after that, it goes through more quickly being that it has already been filtered.

 

It filters through the paper filter very slow if the solvent is still very cold from the freezer.

 

Yes, the paper filtering can be a pain! I try to get the most filtered out with gravity and the reusable coffee filter because of what you have described with the paper filtering.

 

Yes, I used gravity first, then a reusable (metal), actually, two: one 4" dia. kitchen strainer and then the metal reusable coffee filter and THEN the paper coffee filter. Nice and clean, but slower than molasses.

 

Have you ever tried a kief screen? I have a hand grinder that came with a bottome comparement for catching kief and two additional screens.. These will certainly be finer than a metal coffee filter.

Forgot to mention.... I spent some time today looking at the QWISO and the high and low quality QWET. All three bottles had a small amount of alcohol floating on top of the oil. The dropper from the HQ QWET had excessive alcohol in it so I squirted it out, took a toothpick and stirred everything up well so I have a better grasp of how much oil I'm getting. Did the same with the other two. As I was going along I licked the tooth- whew, this stuff is wicked. Lasted all day - still going slightly. Couldn't have taken more than a large drop, certainly less than a grain of rice. Definitely improves with age. :-)

Never thought of using a kief screen. I didn't realize they were that fine.

 

Some people use those bubble bags, I don't remember what micron though.

 

Sounds like you got it right with the oil. Taking it everyday can get more intense.

 

I believe that the ND oil has double the medicinal values and use of.

 

Good Job!!

More on the kief screen soon....

 

QWET update:  my recent batch had evaporated enough so I moved both the HQ/LQ into a purge pan/small bowl respectively.  As the QWET had dried a bit around the edges, I took a small clean brush (that I use to brush out my Magic Flight vaporizer) and some ET and washed the edges before pouring into the purge pan.  This caused a white milky substance to form in the extract.  This is similar to what I experienced in a previous batch (see Sep. 14 post/pic on page 3).  It reminds me of what you get when you mix water and motor oil.  It's not a white foam as you describe in the instructions, just a white, milky liquid.  

 

My eyes tell me that it's water and oil, but where did the water come from?  I took the ET fresh out of the sealed 1.5L bottle.  I know you've had issues with too much water in the Everclear, but this isn't making sense.  do you wash down the sides of your pans as I described?

 

It doesn't seem to be sitting on top (of the oil) but rather is part of the solution or mixture. There is a gooey substance (tar/finished oil) that is forming at the bottom of the pan/dish.  Any suggestions on what I should do to eliminated it (the white, milky substance)?

That's a toughie.... I have experienced both, what you have described and what I have described previously.

 

Now that we are into the cooler months, I want to do another extraction and I think I would be able to answer better in regards to effects of using grain alcohol. One strain I did came out similar to QWISO, that was strawberry cough. My 4-G strain did what you are describing. Normally 4-G offered me the cleanest oil, but it came out more "dirty" doing QWET. It wanted to clump into a tar nugget. It is hard for me to comment on that since it was done with that bad bottle of 190 everclear. I diluted that clump with the 192 proof polish vodka, after pouring off the liquid which did contain quality oil in it, so after diluting the clump, it took a while to dissolve and ran that through a paper filter, that brought it back to an oil state. Not sure if it was the filtering or better alcohol.

 

I don't really have much experience doing these types of extractions during the humid months so that kind of threw me off. Soon I will be doing new comparisons with fresh results. I will be able to comment better.

 

I have found that the grain alcohol is a bit more difficult to work with but I have no complaints on the final product. 2 drops of my oil in the morning, I feel it up until the next morning and sometimes feel more buzzed before even taking that day's dose.

 

I do notice a difference with the naturally decarbed oil made without heat, and not winterizing to where I feel like I am effected mentally, that wears off before the next morning, but the THC is still going strong.

 

I plan to try this 200 proof organic alcohol, it starts with a K. I will look it up for the full name later. I would also like to try 190 proof organic grape alcohol. Hopefully before winter is over I will have the opportunity to try one or both of those and compare it to the 192 proof polish vodka.

More on the kief screen soon....

 

gg, took some photos of the screens that came with my Diamond-grind "Ergo" grinder.  I couldn't find the mesh size - they only state Course, Standard and Silk.  Used the silk screen today to filter the ET tincture I made.  I first used a course kitchen metal strainer, then a metal coffee filter, then gravity and the silk screen.  Cleaned it up really nice, though it's very green.

 

It's still a slow process, but MUCH faster than a paper coffee filter.  The screen frame holds about ½ oz and I needed to carefully scrape off the sediment periodically, but it really captured a lot of junk.  

 

 

More on the kief screen soon....

 

QWET update:  my recent batch had evaporated enough so I moved both the HQ/LQ into a purge pan/small bowl respectively.  As the QWET had dried a bit around the edges, I took a small clean brush (that I use to brush out my Magic Flight vaporizer) and some ET and washed the edges before pouring into the purge pan.  This caused a white milky substance to form in the extract.  This is similar to what I experienced in a previous batch (see Sep. 14 post/pic on page 3).  It reminds me of what you get when you mix water and motor oil.  It's not a white foam as you describe in the instructions, just a white, milky liquid.  

 

My eyes tell me that it's water and oil, but where did the water come from?  I took the ET fresh out of the sealed 1.5L bottle.  I know you've had issues with too much water in the Everclear, but this isn't making sense.  do you wash down the sides of your pans as I described?

 

It doesn't seem to be sitting on top (of the oil) but rather is part of the solution or mixture. There is a gooey substance (tar/finished oil) that is forming at the bottom of the pan/dish.  Any suggestions on what I should do to eliminated it (the white, milky substance)?

gg, the milky white liquid on the QWET HD didn't seem to want to evaporate. Today, I notices a greasy/oily film on the surface. Took a toothpick and low and behold - SAP!  (see pic, note the discoloration on the surface of the liquid in the bottom left corner of the pic.)  Using a toothpick I carefully collected the material on the top of the liquid. Then, poured off all the liquid and scraped the purge pan with a very small metal spoon, shaped somewhat like a shoehorn.  The second pic shows what I was able to recover:  2.5 grams by weight!  This was from 1 oz of bud.  I'm going to leave it in the tinfoil as it's too sticky to try to put into a vial.  I tried diluting with some ET, but man, this stuff is wickedly sticky!

 

Not sure of the potency yet - though I did lick the toothpicks and got a little buzz, but it looks similar to your ND Sap.  Thoughts?

 

looks really good

 

set some aside for 100 days and see if it gets stronger

 

Interesting you can clearly see the oil separated from the water

 

In my case, I had poured the water off, when I made it over the summer. There was still remnants of THC and I let that dry separately.

 

going by the looks, if you seal that up for 100 days it will be the whoop eating it. With superior medicinal properties if no heat is used.

 

let me know how it turns out

More on the kief screen soon....

 

QWET update:  my recent batch had evaporated enough so I moved both the HQ/LQ into a purge pan/small bowl respectively.  As the QWET had dried a bit around the edges, I took a small clean brush (that I use to brush out my Magic Flight vaporizer) and some ET and washed the edges before pouring into the purge pan.  This caused a white milky substance to form in the extract.  This is similar to what I experienced in a previous batch (see Sep. 14 post/pic on page 3).  It reminds me of what you get when you mix water and motor oil.  It's not a white foam as you describe in the instructions, just a white, milky liquid.  

 

My eyes tell me that it's water and oil, but where did the water come from?  I took the ET fresh out of the sealed 1.5L bottle.  I know you've had issues with too much water in the Everclear, but this isn't making sense.  do you wash down the sides of your pans as I described?

 

It doesn't seem to be sitting on top (of the oil) but rather is part of the solution or mixture. There is a gooey substance (tar/finished oil) that is forming at the bottom of the pan/dish.  Any suggestions on what I should do to eliminated it (the white, milky substance)?

 

Did you use 190 proof?

 

Was this run with all buds? Low grade or high grade?

 

I can't wait to do my next extraction. Now that I am just running one flower closet I don't have the access to extra buds for making oil like I used to. Hopefully in the next month I will be able to do some comparisons.

 

Have you heard of this? Kleen Xtract. http://www.kleenxtract.com/#about

I just might give it a try. I am going to have it sent to a patient's house though, feel a bit uncomfortable having it shipped to where the plants are being grown. Kind of obvious what it would be for.

Caution when using 99% iso. You just have to make sure you evaporate out all of the alcohol. You won't have the convenience of using a dropper. When I make ISO oil and get it into the vial I will use a toothpick to get my dose out of the vial. Not sure how to get it in there since you should not warm it. I guess you could dilute it with 190 proof or higher grain alcohol after all of the iso has evaporated. It may clump up and cause some separation though. You can always dilute it more with grain alcohol, put that in the freezer then filter and evaporate some off, this is winterizing. It is a very different buzz, but less medicinal.

 

Iso is a lot easier to work with, but more dangerous.

Another caution: When doing the QWET/grain alcohol method, it leaves a lot of water behind, which gives me concern of mold. I have not seen any mold on mine yet, but I mostly have experience using 99% iso.

 

When I get my QWET extraction done and all evaporated, adding fresh 190 proof or higher alcohol back into it I believe helps in preventing mold. If I choose not to leave it in a liquid state, I would be sure that all liquid evaporated off before putting into a well sealed container.

 

Some recent FB activity mentioned the potential for mold to occur on QWET extractions. First time I had heard of it. I have heard of it with bubble hash though.

 

Just something to look out for and consider.

 

Can't wait to try that 200 proof stuff.

I am more into the medical end of making concentrates, but I know there are a lot of people that get the relief they are seeking with THC alone. Whether it is pain, stress, or mental, I understand.

 

I know a lot of people save their sugar shake and the nicer looking leaves and want to do something with it. (I don't keep mine so I never did much experimenting)

 

Anyway, for the people that do and are looking to make a decent product with sugar shake and such, this looks worthy to try. I would try it. After doing the extraction, I would dilute the product (trichs) in alcohol, the highest proof you can get (190 or higher) after diluted, I would filter it with a paper filter then evaporate the alcohol. Finally, use the end result in the preferred method. I think this may be one of the best ways to eliminate chlorophyll when it comes to using leaf with an alcohol extraction. Either way, the video is worth watching.

 

bubble hash made with a CO2 dry ice extraction.

Did you use 190 proof?

 

Was this run with all buds? Low grade or high grade?

 

I can't wait to do my next extraction. Now that I am just running one flower closet I don't have the access to extra buds for making oil like I used to. Hopefully in the next month I will be able to do some comparisons.

 

Have you heard of this? Kleen Xtract. http://www.kleenxtract.com/#about

I just might give it a try. I am going to have it sent to a patient's house though, feel a bit uncomfortable having it shipped to where the plants are being grown. Kind of obvious what it would be for.

 

Yes, 190(2?) proof everclear. (The milky substance wasn't there until I washed down the sides of the pan with EC to liquidfy the dried oil.)

Yes, HQ buds.

Yes, I've heard of Kleen Xract and will most likely use it next time.

Caution when using 99% iso. You just have to make sure you evaporate out all of the alcohol. You won't have the convenience of using a dropper. When I make ISO oil and get it into the vial I will use a toothpick to get my dose out of the vial. Not sure how to get it in there since you should not warm it. I guess you could dilute it with 190 proof or higher grain alcohol after all of the iso has evaporated. It may clump up and cause some separation though. You can always dilute it more with grain alcohol, put that in the freezer then filter and evaporate some off, this is winterizing. It is a very different buzz, but less medicinal. Iso is a lot easier to work with, but more dangerous.

 

Another caution: When doing the QWET/grain alcohol method, it leaves a lot of water behind, which gives me concern of mold. I have not seen any mold on mine yet, but I mostly have experience using 99% iso. When I get my QWET extraction done and all evaporated, adding fresh 190 proof or higher alcohol back into it I believe helps in preventing mold. If I choose not to leave it in a liquid state, I would be sure that all liquid evaporated off before putting into a well sealed container. Some recent FB activity mentioned the potential for mold to occur on QWET extractions. First time I had heard of it. I have heard of it with bubble hash though. Just something to look out for and consider. Can't wait to try that 200 proof stuff.

I understand the negatives of ISO. Despite it being more difficult to work with, I'm sold on high-proof grain alcohol.Thanks for the heads up re mold. Ive noticed with one of my QWETs that EC is sitting on top of the oil/tar. This must have separated out of the oil over time. There's not much - maybe ¼", but it got me thinking: would adding a thin layer of 190+ to the vial after adding the extracted oil/tar help prevent mold? I've also noticed that if I tip the vial with the EC on top that the oil/tar is thick enough that it doesn't move, or moves very slowly. Why might this be important? It allows one to "disinfect" the sides and top of the vial with alcohol as well as leave a protected covering over the oil/tar, which should prevent mold from occurring in the oil/tar.Does this make sense? Is there something I'm not taking into consideration?

I understand the negatives of ISO. Despite it being more difficult to work with, I'm sold on high-proof grain alcohol. Thanks for the heads up re mold. Ive noticed with one of my QWETs that EC is sitting on top of the oil/tar. This must have separated out of the oil over time. There's not much - maybe ¼", but it got me thinking: would adding a thin layer of 190+ to the vial after adding the extracted oil/tar help prevent mold? I've also noticed that if I tip the vial with the EC on top that the oil/tar is thick enough that it doesn't move, or moves very slowly. Why might this be important? It allows one to "disinfect" the sides and top of the vial with alcohol as well as leave a protected covering over the oil/tar, which should prevent mold from occurring in the oil/tar. Does this make sense? Is there something I'm not taking into consideration?

 

Keep in mind I am just offering an opinion. I can't say that I have the grain alcohol nailed down yet.

 

If the concentrate is nice and thick, can you just pour off the liquid that separated to the top? Maybe into a spoon and then let it evaporate. I have not had that happen yet that I am aware of.

 

Mine is diluted with 192 proof vodka. There has not been any separation. It is just liquid enough to where I can suck it up into a small dropper. I have had to add alcohol back into it a couple of times since it is so dry in the house now and using it it has become too thick for the dropper.

 

Some of the separation could be due to the grain alcohol extracting out other properties from the plant besides the iso.

 

ISO vs. grain alcohol has shown me color differences in the extractions. Night and day differences.

 

Yes, I believe adding back 190 proof would prevent mold. I have encountered the same incidents with the white milky stuff and that is what makes working with the grain alcohol difficult. It is amazing the difference of water between 190 proof grain and 99% iso. I even notice a small difference between 190 and 192 proof alcohols. The 192 is still quite difficult. I am for sure giving that 200 proof stuff a try, kind of excited to. A little warning on that 200 proof stuff though, I would not have it shipped to where the plants are being grown. It is obvious what the stuff is meant for. I am going to have it shipped to one of my patient's houses or something like that. On the other hand, I haven't given up on grain alcohol yet. The products that I have made and been enjoying made with grain alcohol is the best I have had yet. I will have to give the credit to the natural decarbing though.

 

As for mold. It seems like you would taste it if you had any. I have tasted oil made from buds that were slightly moldy and it totally ruined the taste. It was very noticeable.

 

Keep the updates coming!

I may have already mentioned this, but in December I will do a comparison of using the 192 proof polish vodka, 99% iso, and 200 proof KleenExtract, (yes, I ordered it!) I really have my hopes up for the 200 proof. Can't wait to compare.

 

I believe I will be doing this extraction comparison with Strawberry Cough. Top shelf of course, and pictures will be provided.