How Can The Cop Raid A House

[nate]

now can cops just raid a house couse they got a call to silent observer or dose there have to be evedice to them raiding i dont sell meds out of my house there is no traffic i just keep to my self what kind of prof do they have to have to raid someone i had a famliy member get raid just cuz some one called silent observer i just dont know all the rules on what cops need to do anything

[bobandtorey]

now can cops just raid a house couse they got a call to silent observer or dose there have to be evedice to them raiding i dont sell meds out of my house there is no traffic i just keep to my self what kind of prof do they have to have to raid someone i had a famliy member get raid just cuz some one called silent observer i just dont know all the rules on what cops need to do anything

 

 

Yep thats all that has to happen some one calls and Leo has to come thats the Law thats what they say not me

 

Peace from the front

[thanks2]

Well how it does happen and how it is suppose to happen is two different things. If someone calls, they are suppose to start an investigation and get evidence to support the accusations. The evidence will come from the trash, energy bills, inferred pictures, shipping records, surveillance of the house, or other things.

 

But Bob knows first hand that they don't always even get the warrant signed, which makes it a legal warrant. LEO spends a lot of time not following the law in some counties.

[bobandtorey]

Well how it does happen and how it is suppose to happen is two different things. If someone calls, they are suppose to start an investigation and get evidence to support the accusations. The evidence will come from the trash, energy bills, inferred pictures, shipping records, surveillance of the house, or other things.

 

But Bob knows first hand that they don't always even get the warrant signed, which makes it a legal warrant. LEO spends a lot of time not following the law in some counties.

 

 

Thanks for telling it better then me Pos; Rep for you

[+420Atheist]

And even when LEO is caught breaking the law nothing is done. Berry Cooper set the cops up real good in Texas. The lied to the judge to get the search warrant. Yet the cops were never changed and raided Berry's house for not returning a video to the store on time.

 

http://nevergetbusted.com/2010/

[Wild Bill]

Well how it does happen and how it is suppose to happen is two different things. If someone calls, they are suppose to start an investigation and get evidence to support the accusations. The evidence will come from the trash, energy bills, inferred pictures, shipping records, surveillance of the house, or other things.

My home was raided several years ago. One of my son's friends was arrested and told "we just want some names". One of the names he gave was my son. They told the judge they watched the house and saw teenagers coming and going (pretty odd behavior for a house with three teens living in it eh?). This was evidence that marijuana was being sold to school children. They said they found evidence in the garbage, what they found was never documented.

 

A six man swat team kicked in my front door, forced us to the floor at gunpoint and cuffed everyone. They allowed me to put my dog in his kennel, as I was afraid that he would be shot. They subsequently found almost 1 gram of powdered marijuana which they initially said was cocaine until the lab tests came back.

 

This incident cost us close to $10,000 in cash and property 'confiscated', lawyer fees, 'drug abuse' classes and time off of work to go to court.

 

So basically all it takes is for your name to somehow come to their attention. After that the flimsiest of reasons will suffice. Remember, there is a whole industry that relies on these raids to survive.

[Phil78]

amen to that. crystal meth? there's no money in crystal meth. yes, it's a problem a thousand times larger than mj, not just in the dealing, but also the affects on the body, BUT, there is no money in it. those that make it, use it.

 

mj, on the other hand, lots of money trades hands, and THAT is what leo focuses in on - the money. they make no money off a meth bust, but you always hear of thousands being confiscated on pot busts.

 

in addition, NOW they have a neat little list that they can peruse and pick and choose where they're going to go tomorrow (i hope that's not true, but it seems to me the balance of people being bothered nowadays are on the medicinal side of things).

[Kingdiamond]

Remember, there is a whole industry that relies on these raids to survive.

 

 

And there it is in a nutshell with no forfeiture laws driving the anti drug movement there would be no reason to raid if theres not a house and cars and plasma tvs to (steal)confiscate anymore then whats law enforcements motivation?

[greenbuddha]

All LEOs have to do is say that it was reported to them that someone's life was endangered and they can pretty much do as they please...

 

whether the 'supposed' report is 'factual' or NOT.

[Bisharoo]

Only rogue regimes that should be removed (at the ballot box ) operate this way, of which it seems there are too many.

[bobandtorey]

My home was raided several years ago. One of my son's friends was arrested and told "we just want some names". One of the names he gave was my son. They told the judge they watched the house and saw teenagers coming and going (pretty odd behavior for a house with three teens living in it eh?). This was evidence that marijuana was being sold to school children. They said they found evidence in the garbage, what they found was never documented.

 

A six man swat team kicked in my front door, forced us to the floor at gunpoint and cuffed everyone. They allowed me to put my dog in his kennel, as I was afraid that he would be shot. They subsequently found almost 1 gram of powdered marijuana which they initially said was cocaine until the lab tests came back.

 

This incident cost us close to $10,000 in cash and property 'confiscated', lawyer fees, 'drug abuse' classes and time off of work to go to court.

 

So basically all it takes is for your name to somehow come to their attention. After that the flimsiest of reasons will suffice. Remember, there is a whole industry that relies on these raids to survive.

 

They said they found evidence in the garbage, what they found was never documented.

 

WOW that same thing happen to us and again was never docurmented

[Phil78]

if there is no documented evidence, the reason for entering in the first place is null and void. case should be thrown out, right?

 

 

right. that's the way it SHOULD happen, but we all know better.

[JohnB RPh]

What was the nature of the raid? Did they have a warrant ahead of time?

 

*sigh* The law can come to your house for any reason they choose, or no reason at all. In theory, they could start at one end of the block and work their way from one house to the other. This sounds different than your case, in which they apparently obtained a warrant beforehand, but beware the dreaded "knock and talk", and don't open your door for the police, ever, for any reason.

 

In my case, they later admitted they were visiting me for a "knock and talk" based upon a 2 year old tip, it was just a slow night for them and I was at the bottom of their list. Once my wife opened the door, they walked into the entryway, then refused to leave saying they could smell marijuana, which then gave them probable cause to obtain a warrant. I say they couldn't smell anything, but they can say whatever they want and it will be your word over theirs, and you will lose this argument in court 100% of the time. When I requested they leave the premises until they obtained the warrant, things got ugly and they claimed they did not have to leave as they now had probable cause based upon what they could smell, and the intimidating threats of punishment began if we did not consent to a search.

 

The authorities are good at getting around your 4th amendment rights, if they so choose.

[+Jennifer8]

Can someone start this thread in the legal thread? Can it be moved or duplicated in the legal thread area?

[GanjaWarrior]

Only rogue regimes that should be removed (at the ballot box ) operate this way, of which it seems there are too many.

 

lmao....you do realize that we went to the ballot box? it go us know where, i had less to worry about when i was a criminal.

[T1420]

Exactly!! 5 years ago I was away from home, and the police arrived and entered my home under the reason that someone called 911 and hung up. Not True....No phone... anyways they observed herb in boxes on my desk and decided they'd call me since my # was on my fridge. I had a shed full of grow lights/ equipment, and a patch of 83 6' females in the back of it. well they went through all my stuff and told me that there was someone in danger of their life and that gave them all the rights they needed to enter and take all my stuff. My 3rd felony mfg. 2-200 kilos marijuana with intent to distribute. almost 16k to keep my freedom. darn NAZI's

All LEOs have to do is say that it was reported to them that someone's life was endangered and they can pretty much do as they please...

 

whether the 'supposed' report is 'factual' or NOT.

[+Jennifer8]

This is the Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

 

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

 

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For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

 

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For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

 

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

 

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For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

 

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He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

 

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We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

 

— John Hancock

 

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Now, this part, if you copy and past it into Google, which many have referenced it on Google sites that will pick it up....I know what it means, but feel free to interpret it or learn more about what it means by doing so.

 

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

[Wild Bill]

This is the Declaration of Independence:When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, . . .

Void Where Prohibited by Law.