Obama Possibly Going To Jail!

[MightyMightyMezz]

he has released his full long form birth cert... it was on the link I posted, with signatures... And Hawaii even said they don't normally do that, ever.

 

I know I can't get my original birth cert from California.

 

It is all a huge waste of taxpayer money to keep going after this... But any distraction from what the "Order" is trying to do is good... so they can get a Norweigan (non-us citizen) in as Secreatary of state, and then their plan will be complete!

 

It's a very small amount of taxpayer money actually. The big money that the taxpayers are being stuck with paying off has been borrowed to spend on the military for decades. It's so much it is growing faster than we can pay it.

 

I could easily say it is racist to support Obama because the person doesn't mind when a black man is in the White House waging war but they hate it when a white man does it. Or maybe they don't? If these people like war that much then Obama is a fine candidate but Romgrich would be awesome!

 

To be fair maybe they are just Political Partyists - they hate it when a Repub does it but not a Dem.

[MightyMightyMezz]

Next witness.

 

Mr. Vogt.

 

Expert in document imaging and scanners for 18 years.

 

Mr. Vogt testifies that the birth certificate, posted online by Obama, is suspicious. States white lines around all the type face is caused by “unsharp mask” in Photoshop. Testifies that any document showing this, is considered to be a fraud.

 

States this is a product of layering.

 

Mr. Vogt testifies that a straight scan of an original document would not show such layering.

 

Also testifies that the date stamps shown on Obama documents should not be in exact same place on various documents as they are hand stamped. Obama’s documents are all even, straight and exactly the same indicating they were NOT hand stamped but layered into the document by computer.

 

 

Someone is going to have to refute this or it remains a problem no matter how shrill the cries of "racism!"

[CedarSpringsCG]

It's a very small amount of taxpayer money actually. The big money that the taxpayers are being stuck with paying off has been borrowed to spend on the military for decades. It's so much it is growing faster than we can pay it.

 

I could easily say it is racist to support Obama because the person doesn't mind when a black man is in the White House waging war but they hate it when a white man does it. Or maybe they don't? If these people like war that much then Obama is a fine candidate but Romgrich would be awesome!

 

To be fair maybe they are just Political Partyists - they hate it when a Repub does it but not a Dem.

 

Ok, Bush got us into 2 wars, and was tyring for more. At least Obama makes plans to end them. Now he has taken his jolly time about them, but he isn't getting us into more. So to say that we hate it when a repub does it but not a dem is totally false. My vote isn't locked into Obama right now because he has taken way too long to do the things he promised, but he is doing them. Obama didn't start the wars. He inherited them from Bush Jr. If he was out starting wars I would be just as upset as I was when Bush was starting wars...

[MightyMightyMezz]

Ok, Bush got us into 2 wars, and was tyring for more. At least Obama makes plans to end them. Now he has taken his jolly time about them, but he isn't getting us into more. So to say that we hate it when a repub does it but not a dem is totally false. My vote isn't locked into Obama right now because he has taken way too long to do the things he promised, but he is doing them. Obama didn't start the wars. He inherited them from Bush Jr. If he was out starting wars I would be just as upset as I was when Bush was starting wars...

 

He just invaded Libya without Congressional consent. He increased the presence in Afghanistan. Now we are teetering on the brink of war with Iran which would necessarily get Russia involved. We're still hemorrhaging money and still throwing our weight around even though we don't have a leg to stand on (bankrupt.) Oh, don't forget the permanent presence in Iraq even though we are "pulling out." Can't forget Gitmo still being open either - that is high on the list.

[CedarSpringsCG]

He signed the executive order to close it... Can't hardly call Gitmo a war however...

 

libya... yeah, not a war... We were stopping the atrocities of a corrupt government. Not that I agree with what he did, but it wasn't a war... And it wasn't nearly what Bush Jr did.

 

Brink of war in Iran, once again, not war... Lots of presidents have been on the brink.

 

And increased presense in Afghanistan, a war started by Bush and would be furthered by Romgrich... yeah, we were getting our tails kicked, and we had to do something, either completely pull out and have all of the hatred of the work we did, or increase presence and try to not lose everything already put in... Once again, not that I agree with the decision, but still not starting a war...

 

And the permanent presense in Iraq was actually Bush Jr's Plan. And we will have around 200 persons still in Iraq... Hardly what I would call a presense...

 

So your just trying to bend words to make your case, but your wrong on all counts on this one. Good try though.

[MightyMightyMezz]

He signed the executive order to close it... Can't hardly call Gitmo a war however...

 

libya... yeah, not a war... We were stopping the atrocities of a corrupt government. Not that I agree with what he did, but it wasn't a war... And it wasn't nearly what Bush Jr did.

 

Brink of war in Iran, once again, not war... Lots of presidents have been on the brink.

 

And increased presense in Afghanistan, a war started by Bush and would be furthered by Romgrich... yeah, we were getting our tails kicked, and we had to do something, either completely pull out and have all of the hatred of the work we did, or increase presence and try to not lose everything already put in... Once again, not that I agree with the decision, but still not starting a war...

 

And the permanent presense in Iraq was actually Bush Jr's Plan. And we will have around 200 persons still in Iraq... Hardly what I would call a presense...

 

So your just trying to bend words to make your case, but your wrong on all counts on this one. Good try though.

 

Military Attack/War whatever. You ought to realize you are spewing propaganda. Oh yes the good old US doing it for the good of the foreign people. Yeah just like Iran 1953 except out in the open.

[CedarSpringsCG]

Military Attack/War whatever. You ought to realize you are spewing propaganda. Oh yes the good old US doing it for the good of the foreign people. Yeah just like Iran 1953 except out in the open.

No not really. There is a huge difference between a military action and a war... If you can't see the difference between what happened in Libya and what happened in Iraq, well there is no helping you. Libya was what, a few weeks, no boots on the ground, military action. Done. No occupation nothing. Iraq was 10 years.

 

And how am I spewing propaganda? I think your trying to hide the fact you are... I responded to your propaganda, putting the truth out there that Obama isn't starting wars. I do agree he isn't ending them as fast as promised, but he isn't starting more.

 

So, anything the military does in your book is war? When the military goes out and intercepts a pirate ship near Somalia and stops a civilian ship from being taken, is that war with Somalia? Is it war with the pirates? No, but it was military action... So not everything the military does is a war, even if people die, it doesn't mean it is a war. Thinking that every military action where shots are fired is war is narrow minded.

 

Face it, RP has no chance, and Gingrich wants drug offenders, yes you and I, to be EXECUTED. Romney, not much better. Throw your votes to anyone, and all your doing is helping make sure the war on drugs stays in full force, and pretty soon the military will be on the streets here, shooting patients for scoring a dime bag.

[MightyMightyMezz]

I said wage war not start war. I call bombing countries war. Ramping up Bush's War in Afghanistan and bombing Libya both count as war in my book.

[TheBeagle]

Hell yes its war obama has done nothing good for the us people are now say he is worse then bush....imo he is ,look at how much more debt he put on the us...he has done more debt then bush! I dont care what race he is he is a total wreck for the usa and he will never do any good for us dame with romney they are pretty much the same with a different skin

[CedarSpringsCG]

Yeah beagle, except that most of that debt was preventing another great depression and also inherited from Bush...

 

and as far as Obama not having done anything...

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

 

And if that's what you call war, then all presidents wage war every year. Do you really think you need to spend $500 billion on your military if you aren't waging war? They all have for decades, way before bush, way before bush senior... They all wage war on that definition.

[MightyMightyMezz]

 

And if that's what you call war, then all presidents wage war every year. Do you really think you need to spend $500 billion on your military if you aren't waging war? They all have for decades, way before bush, way before bush senior... They all wage war on that definition.

 

That's exactly what I don't like. I don't see how it can be justified. Now all these trillions in debt for "defense" ironically threaten our survival as The United States of America as we know it.

[TheBeagle]

Exactly there has only been 1 PERSON WHO WILL END THE WARS his name is ron paul.....not obama or romney...the only reason obama pull the troops is because he has seen ron paul speak about the wars and people praise him for it...then all of a sudden obama comes in with a plan to pull the troops...why didnt he do this right when elected? He now pulls the troops cause the debate is under way to "try to sway the votes" and regain election again...the dood is a clown..he is a worthless puppet like romney...he speaks what people wana hear...just like now he says "marijuana is up for debate"......last time I heard about mary jane from him he called the people idiots basically then laughed at the cannabis issue at hand......my vote goes for ronpaul and I will do w/e I can to to stop obama for gettin a re election (legally)...is he isnt in jail by then for being a non citizen

[TheBeagle]

http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/who-spent-more-average-bush-vs-average-obama-spending-per-day-proves-obama-most-reckless-and-irresponsible-ever/

 

 

Lol even minus the debt bush left obama still put us in more debt lmfao sad sad sad

[CedarSpringsCG]

yeah, and bush lost more jobs per year than Obama did too... Sad sad sad...

 

and if you really think RP will get us out of war, you are so wrong... All of those nations that rely on our money and support, and military, when we pull out with no warning, they are going to be pissed. They will send people over here to blow us up... They will aid Al Quaeda and Taliban, and anyone else who will give them five cents or a loaf of bread, and all of their children will hate us (more than they do now) because we dropped them like a plague. They will grow up hating Americans, which will lead to lots more attacks on us.

 

Yeah, sounds like a lovely place and time to be...

 

Oh and Obama said he would pull out of Iraq long before RP came into this, and he has been working towards that in a smart, responsible manner, unlike anything RP would do.

[TheBeagle]

I know you would say that lol obama did in fact pull troops out before and plannned it...reason being he knew ron paul was going to run and he knows what ron stands for and ron has been saying it for 30 sum ot years now.... Bush sr,bush,homamma,romney,newt gutwrench ,bill bad and insantorum are buncha inbreeds imo all the same they need fan club t shirts that say " touch me and ill touch you back"

[2d]

Someone is going to have to refute this or it remains a problem no matter how shrill the cries of "racism!"

It's already been refuted.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/reply-to-douglas-vogt/

 

And Orly too.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=orly%20taitz%20fined&PQ=orly&SP=2&QS=HS&SK=HS1&sc=8-4&form=SNYBSH&pc=MASA

 

Maybe there's some truth to cannabis causing paranoia and delusions if you folks really buy in to this crap.

[2d]

I know you would say that lol obama did in fact pull troops out before and plannned it...reason being he knew ron paul was going to run and he knows what ron stands for and ron has been saying it for 30 sum ot years now.... Bush sr,bush,homamma,romney,newt gutwrench ,bill bad and insantorum are buncha inbreeds imo all the same they need fan club t shirts that say " touch me and ill touch you back"

Ron Paul is a fake. Voted for him in '88 when he quit the Republican party and became a Libertarian. He destroyed the Libertarian movement by poaching off members with the phoney legalize drugs schtick and bringing them back to the Republican fold. Buchanan did a similar thing to Ross Perot's Reform Party. Been there done that, don't need no stinkin' t-shirt.

[MightyMightyMezz]

It's already been refuted.

http://www.obamacons...o-douglas-vogt/

 

Maybe there's some truth to cannabis causing paranoia and delusions if you folks really buy in to this crap.

 

I don't have anything invested in it whatsoever so no truth in that lil meme there.

 

Ron Paul is a fake. Voted for him in '88 when he quit the Republican party and became a Libertarian. He destroyed the Libertarian movement by poaching off members with the phoney legalize drugs schtick and bringing them back to the Republican fold. Buchanan did a similar thing to Ross Perot's Reform Party. Been there done that, don't need no stinkin' t-shirt.

 

Well waah!

[AmishRnot4ganja]

It's already been refuted.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/reply-to-douglas-vogt/

 

And Orly too.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=orly%20taitz%20fined&PQ=orly&SP=2&QS=HS&SK=HS1&sc=8-4&form=SNYBSH&pc=MASA

 

Maybe there's some truth to cannabis causing paranoia and delusions if you folks really buy in to this crap.

 

I was thinking the same thing. I really thought that most of the people on this forum and in the "movement" were rational, reasonable people. I am now beginning to question my beliefs.

 

If we want to talk conspiracies, lets talk about the biggest conspiracy on the planet - religion - and the way the Republicans use it to garner support. The Republicans are experts at using fear to get people on their side. Religion plays right into their hand because religion uses fear in the same way. Seriously, listen to Republicans and tell me that fear isn't one of their biggest recruiting tools.

 

I could go on for hours, but...

[MightyMightyMezz]

You should always question your beliefs, amish. Better not to have beliefs at all - it saves having to do a lot of defensive posturing when they are threatened.

[+wolfgang]

I was thinking the same thing. I really thought that most of the people on this forum and in the "movement" were rational, reasonable people. I am now beginning to question my beliefs.

 

If we want to talk conspiracies, lets talk about the biggest conspiracy on the planet - religion - and the way the Republicans use it to garner support. The Republicans are experts at using fear to get people on their side. Religion plays right into their hand because religion uses fear in the same way. Seriously, listen to Republicans and tell me that fear isn't one of their biggest recruiting tools.

 

I could go on for hours, but...

okay I wasnt going to join in here but here we gooo.Both parties are against us brother,it boggles my mind,Bush got us the patriot act and Obama got us the NDAA so which guy is the better of the two??NEITHER one would be the correct answer here,in any mindful reasonable person. I honestly dont see how anyone could support either fricken party man. conspiracies you betcha I believe in them they did a fine job with the prohibition of cannabis. And I'm not sure but i'd like some questions answered as to why 911 went down,besides the fact that we thought we were all that and a bag of chips.The social security number is what I wonder about (staying on topic here) what is wrong with ASKING questions?So what some ppl were asking questions in regard to his BC. And apparently the judge in the case thought it was worth a look or he would have thrown it out. Nothing wrong with asking a question,my mama always told me,no question is stupid.

[AmishRnot4ganja]

okay I wasnt going to join in here but here we gooo.Both parties are against us brother,it boggles my mind,Bush got us the patriot act and Obama got us the NDAA so which guy is the better of the two??NEITHER one would be the correct answer here,in any mindful reasonable person. I honestly dont see how anyone could support either fricken party man. conspiracies you betcha I believe in them they did a fine job with the prohibition of cannabis. And I'm not sure but i'd like some questions answered as to why 911 went down,besides the fact that we thought we were all that and a bag of chips.The social security number is what I wonder about (staying on topic here) what is wrong with ASKING questions?So what some ppl were asking questions in regard to his BC. And apparently the judge in the case thought it was worth a look or he would have thrown it out. Nothing wrong with asking a question,my mama always told me,no question is stupid.

 

Why did Orly Taitz decide to pursue this case in this state with this judge? Could it be that it was the only judge she could find that was sympathetic to her delusions? I would really like to see what the qualifications are for her "experts" that testify to all these "discrepancies". I am not saying that there might not be fire under all this smoke. I just want to know all the facts.

[+wolfgang]

Why did Orly Taitz decide to pursue this case in this state with this judge? Could it be that it was the only judge she could find that was sympathetic to her delusions? I would really like to see what the qualifications are for her "experts" that testify to all these "discrepancies". I am not saying that there might not be fire under all this smoke. I just want to know all the facts.

exactly.I am not now, nor have I been, a “birther.” But if this testimony is true, this will be the most significant dishonesty and corruption by an elected official in the history of the United States.

[TheBeagle]

some more info from jan 3rd

 

going backwords here but i think the 1st post was the latest...so far

 

 

 

Court: Obama must be 'constitutionally' eligible

 

Judge denies president's motion to dismiss challenge to 2012 candidacy

Published: 01/03/2012 at 2:59 PM by Bob UnruhEmail | Archive Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after spending nearly three decades writing on a wide range of issues for several Upper Midwest newspapers and the Associated Press. Sports, tornadoes, homicidal survivalists, and legislative battles all fell within his bailiwick. His scenic photography has been used commercially, and he sometimes plays in a church worship band.More ↓ Subscribe to author feed

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For the first time in dozens of court cases challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president, a judge has ruled that Obama must, in order to be a candidate on the Georgia ballot for president in 2012, meet the constitutional demands for candidates for the office.

 

A hearing has been scheduled later this month for evidence on the issue that has plagued Obama and his presidency since long before he took office. At issue is the constitutional requirement that a president be a “natural-born citizen.” Some allege he was not born in the U.S. as he has claimed and, therefore, is not eligible.

 

Others, including top constitutional expert Herb Titus, contend that the term “natural-born citizen,” which is not defined in the Constitution, would have been understood when the document was written to mean the offspring of two U.S. citizens. That argument is supported by a 19th-century U.S. Supreme Court decision

 

Under that standard, Obama could not qualify, because his father, as identified on the “Certificate of Live Birth” image released by the White House, was a foreign national who came from Kenya to study in the U.S. and never was a citizen.

 

The ruling came today from Judge Michael M. Malihi of the Georgia state Office of State Administrative Hearings.

 

In Georgia, a state law requires “every candidate for federal” office who is certified by the state executive committees of a political party or who files a notice of candidacy “shall meet the constitutional and statutory qualifications for holding the office being sought.”

 

State law also grants the secretary of state and any “elector who is eligible to vote for a candidate” in the state the authority to raise a challenge to a candidate’s qualifications, the judge determined.

 

While Obama’s attorney, Michael Jablonski, had argued that the requirements didn’t apply to candidates for a presidential primary, the judge said that isn’t how he reads state law.

 

“Statutory provisions must be read as they are written, and this court finds that the cases cited by [Obama] are not controlling. When the court construes a constitutional or statutory provision, the ‘first step … is to examine the plain statutory language,” the judge wrote. “Section 21-2-1(a) states that ‘every candidate for federal and state office’ must meet the qualifications for holding that particular office, and this court has seen no case law limiting this provision, nor found any language that contains an exception for the office of president or stating that the provision does not apply to the presidential preference primary.”

 

The decision from Malihi came as a result of a series of complaints that were consolidated by the court. They were brought against Obama’s inclusion on the 2012 election primary ballot by David Farrar, Leah Lax, Cody Judy, Thomas Malaren and Laurie Roth, represented by attorney Orly Taitz; David Weldon represented by attorney Van R. Irion of Liberty Legal Foundation; and Carl Swensson and Kevin Richard Powell, represented by J. Mark Hatfield.

 

Barack Obama The judge’s decision was to refuse to dismiss the complaints, an action that had been sought by Obama. He also granted a motion to sever the cases, and he scheduled a hearing at 9 a.m. on Jan. 26 for the complaint brought by Weldon. Following immediately will be hearings for the cases brought by Swensson and Powell, and the issue raised by Farrar, Lax, Judy, Malaren and Roth will be third.

 

Malihi’s ruling said: “The court finds that defendant is a candidate for federal office who has been certified by the state executive committee of a political party, and therefore must, under Code Section 21-2-5, meet the constitutional and statutory qualifications for holding the office being sought.”

 

There are similar challenges to Obama’s 2012 candidacy being raised before state election or other commissions in Tennessee, Arizona and New Hampshire as well.

 

Taitz told WND she will present the decision to a court in Hawaii, where she is arguing to have access to Obama’s original birth documentation as it exists in the state, which for many years allowed relatives of babies to simply make a statement and register a birth, even though the child may not have been born in Hawaii.

 

Irion had argued in his opposition to Obama’s demand to dismiss the concerns that, “The only fact relevant to this case is the fact that the defendant’s father was not a U.S. citizen. This fact has been repeatedly documented and stated by the party opponent, defendant Obama. This fact is also evidenced by plaintiff’s exhibit 6, previously submitted with plaintiff’s pre-trial order, and apparently authenticated by defendant’s citation to this exhibit in defendant’s ‘Statement of Material Facts Not in Dispute,’ number 7.

 

“The lengths to which the defendant goes in order to avoid the one relevant fact is telling. The defendant asks this court to interpret Georgia election code in a way that leaves the code in conflict with itself, goes against the plain language of the law, leaves the law without meaning, and conflicts with common sense. He then cites freedom-to-associate precedent to support an assertion that has never been supported by such precedent, and which would nullify election codes in several states. All of these arguments are futile attempts to distract from the undeniable conclusion: Barack Obama is not constitutionally qualified to hold the office of president of the United States,” Irion wrote.

 

He continued, “It is true that some states lack election codes authorizing any state officials to screen candidate selections from political parties. In these states political parties have essentially unfettered authority to determine which candidates appear on ballots. However, these instances represent decisions of the states to not screen candidates. It is the states’ right to decide how to administer its elections. The fact that some states have decided to not protect their citizens from unqualified candidates does not mean that other states don’t have the right to screen candidates. It simply means that some states have left the screening to the political parties.

 

“Georgia has determined that it is in the best interest of its citizens to screen candidates prior to placement on the ballot.

 

“Because it is undisputed that Mr. Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen, the defendant can never be a natural-born citizen, as that term was defined by the U.S. Supreme Court. Therefore, the defendant cannot meet the constitutional requirements to hold the office of president. See U.S. Const. Art. II Section 1.5 Georgia election code requires such a candidate to be stricken from any Georgia ballot.”

 

The U.S. Supreme Court opinion cited is Minor v. Happersett from 1875. It includes one of very few references in the nation’s archives that addresses the definition of “natural-born citizen,” a requirement imposed by the U.S. Constitution on only the U.S. president.

 

That case states:

 

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

 

Irion said the goal would be an injunction that would deprive Obama of Democratic Party certification.

 

“Without such certification from the party, Obama will not appear on any ballot in the 2012 general election,” his organization said in an announcement when the cases were launched.

 

Liberty Legal said it is not addressing Obama’s place of birth or his birth certificate.

 

“These issues are completely irrelevant to the argument. LLF’s lawsuit simply points out that the Supreme Court has defined ‘natural-born citizen’ as a person born to two parents who were both U.S. citizens at the time of the natural-born citizen’s birth. Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen. Therefore, Obama can never be a natural-born citizen. His place of birth is irrelevant,” the group said.

 

WND has reported that Maricopa, Ariz., County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has launched a formal law enforcement investigation into whether Obama may submit fraudulent documentation to be put on the state’s election ballot in 2012. A full report is expected within weeks.

 

The White House in April released an image of a “Certificate of Live Birth” from the state of Hawaii in support of Obama’s claim that he was born in the state. The White House has not addressed the questions raised by Obama’s father’s nationality. In addition, many computer, imaging, document and technology experts have stated the document image appears to be a forgery.

 

The image that the new lawsuits contend is irrelevant:

 

Obama long-form birth certificate released April 27 by the White House

An extensive analysis of the issue was conducted by Titus, who has taught constitutional law, common law and other subjects for 30 years at five different American Bar Association-approved law schools. He also was the founding dean of the College of Law at Regent University, a trial attorney and special assistant U.S. attorney in the Department of Justice.

 

“‘Natural born citizen’ in relation to the office of president, and whether someone is eligible, was in the Constitution from the very beginning,” he said. “Another way of putting it; there is a law of the nature of citizenship. If you are a natural born citizen, you are a citizen according to the law of nature, not according to any positive statement in a Constitution or in a statute, but because of the very nature of your birth and the very nature of nations.”

 

If you “go back and look at what the law of nature would be or would require … that’s precisely what a natural born citizen is …. is one who is born to a father and mother each of whom is a citizen of the U.S. or whatever other country,” he said.

 

“Now what we’ve learned from the Hawaii birth certificate is that Mr. Obama’s father was not a citizen of the United States. His mother was, but he doesn’t qualify as a natural born citizen for the office of president.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.wnd.com/2...nally-eligible/

[TheBeagle]

more from ABC news

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ga-judge-orders-president-hearing-15407321#.Tyd-dfmwVXI