Chubutta's Medical Grow

[Boaterman]

Those are some nice looking plants Chewbutta, good luck.

[Chubutta]

 

[Kingdiamond]

 

Short and bushy very nice!

[rockinlespaul]

Lookin' good!!!

[CannabisPatient#1]

Looks great man. Keep up the good work!

[Chubutta]

I just gave the girls their second feeding and followed the Roots Organic feeding schedule. I noticed some of the girls have what looks to be a little nute burn. On the edges of the leaves there is slight discoloration. It is not severe and does not cover the entire plant. Should I give them a little bit of fresh water now or just wait?

[CannabisPatient#1]

If it is only a tiny bit of burn on the very edges of a couple of leaves then I would wait until they are dry again before watering. Sounds like you found the limit or just over the limit of what the plants could handle at the time. Are you positive that your pH was correct on the feed? The next time that you feed I would back off just a little bit. They may be able to handle a stronger mix in the future if they are bigger/growing faster and can process more. Are you keeping a journal with dates, pH, EC, ppm, plant health, ect? That way next round you know exactly what to do, or not to do. They are going to be some lovely ladies when they fatten up! I love 'em thick.

[Chubutta]

If it is only a tiny bit of burn on the very edges of a couple of leaves then I would wait until they are dry again before watering. Sounds like you found the limit or just over the limit of what the plants could handle at the time. Are you positive that your pH was correct on the feed? The next time that you feed I would back off just a little bit. They may be able to handle a stronger mix in the future if they are bigger/growing faster and can process more. Are you keeping a journal with dates, pH, EC, ppm, plant health, ect? That way next round you know exactly what to do, or not to do. They are going to be some lovely ladies when they fatten up! I love 'em thick.

 

My water comes from a well and there is a lot of Iron in it, just recently I have bought big jugs of distilled water from the store and the plants seem to like it much better. The PH in my well water is generally high between 7.5 - 8. The distilled water is around 6.5 -7. I have been keeping somewhat of a journal, mostly just a feeding schedule. Some of the lower fan leaves on my plant are simply just falling off, is this normal? I am currently 25 days into flowering and the girls have nasty bright white hairs all over, lots of bud sights. I noticed that some of the hairs especially on the strawberry cough are turning red already, is this normal? I have 2 dehumidfiers running just to keep the humidity low( water and humidity is a big problem where the plants are located) The humidity generally stays around 50% when the lights are on and a temp around 80-82 degrees. When the lights are off the humidity is around 60% with a temp in the low 70's.

 

[Boaterman]

I see you're keeping your humidity down to 50%. Good deal. Low humidity helps in the producution of trichromes. Check out amsterdammarijuanaseedbank.com for explanation as to why. Good luck Chewy.

[DLD420]

I thought Distilled water was bad for plants.

[Chubutta]

From What I have read Distilled water can eliminate a lot of natural minerals in water that are beneficial to the plant. It also eliminates alot of stuff that is bad for the plant. If you have a good feeding schedule the plants will get the nutrients they need any way, and when you water them its just pure H20. It allows you to control exactly what the plant is getting also. You should see what my shower looks like after a few weeks of not cleaning it, that lime away bunny muffin barely cuts it. The switch to distilled water has been the first type i've used since switching from tap. I also have some natural spring water bottled up I might try.

 

On a side note I think I got a problem with one of my Strawberry Cough's, the one that is my biggest plant. I think it has gone hermie. I noticed that on this particular plant a lot of the hair turned red very soon and now it looks like on the lower buds there are little bananna sacks coming out. I'm not sure if I'm just stressin or what but this plant doesn't seem right to me and I have no idea what could have caused it.

[Boaterman]

Don't freak out, it will still be good medicine. Some strains are just more sensitive than others. Post a pic. Back in 2002 I had some Big Bud going along with some Skunk #1 and the Skunk went hermie on me but the Big Bud didn't. Only got a few seeds in the Big Bud, more in the Skunk. Still smokes one he11 of a lot better than anything you'll pick up off the street.

[Chubutta]

Don't freak out, it will still be good medicine. Some strains are just more sensitive than others. Post a pic. Back in 2002 I had some Big Bud going along with some Skunk #1 and the Skunk went hermie on me but the Big Bud didn't. Only got a few seeds in the Big Bud, more in the Skunk. Still smokes one he11 of a lot better than anything you'll pick up off the street.

 

 

Ya it doesn't look that bad. I picked off as much as I could. This plant has very swollen calyx and a lot of red hairs. I'm just going to let it go with the rest of them cause this plant is huge!! I'll get some good pics later today of the garden.

 

Appreciate your response Boaterman,

 

 

Later!

[Boaterman]

You didn't give up on posting your grow did you Chubutta. Would love to see some fresh pics of your girls.

[Chubutta]

Well I messed up bad... That hermie ended up pollinating the bunny muffin out of my garden. Seeds started coming in everywhere. I ended up pulling it but it was too late. Now im going to have some pretty seedy bud. I've been pretty depressed about the whole thing!!! bummer. I need to get some clones asap, and need to get things going again. I guess you learn through trial and error.

[Boaterman]

Don't be so bummed, it will still be good stuff. We've all been through it guy. We'd still like to see pics, we love marijuana porn.

[Chubutta]

Appreciate it Boaterman. It's looking much better since I took 3 of them out that were seriously polinated. I have 7 right now that are starting to look very nice with not to many beans. Are these seeds useable in the future? The Hermie was a Strawberry Cough. I also have White Widow, White Rhino, and Super Lemon Haze in the garden, would the seeds off these plants be considered crossed with Strawberry cough now? My camera took a bunny muffin on me, but I believe I can fix it and will get some pics up soon!

 

Thanks for the support

 

PEACE

 

 

-Chewy

[Boaterman]

I wouldn't use the seeds myself, but you'd have to ask an expert like THC Farmer, he seems to know his chit.

[CannabisPatient#1]

Appreciate it Boaterman. It's looking much better since I took 3 of them out that were seriously polinated. I have 7 right now that are starting to look very nice with not to many beans. Are these seeds useable in the future? The Hermie was a Strawberry Cough. I also have White Widow, White Rhino, and Super Lemon Haze in the garden, would the seeds off these plants be considered crossed with Strawberry cough now? My camera took a bunny muffin on me, but I believe I can fix it and will get some pics up soon!

 

Thanks for the support

 

PEACE

 

 

-Chewy

 

Sorry I have not been around Chewy. I have been piggy backing the neighbors internet and they password protected it a few weeks ago. I have wireless now so I will be around more. You used Green House seeds right? and they were feminized? I have heard lots about GHS fem seed plants sprouting balls. I personally would use good bag seed before I grew their fem stock. Them going herm probably wasn't your fault, well other than ordering GHS. I would still check for light leaks. Was she stressed in any other way?

 

Have you been to any compassion club meetings? They are a great place to get cheap/free clones. When you get a clone from a trusted grower you know that it is stable and quality.

 

Don't be bummed out man. You will still get way more than 2.5 ounces yield from all those plants. It will take time to pick out the seeds, but after removal the flowers will make great hash. You are still going to be able to get quality medicine out of them. Are there some buds that are not that seeded? The most important thing about growing cannabis IMO is not getting upset over it. The realization that I am a beginner grower and that I would make mistakes was an important one for me. I think that you have it right in saying that it is a learning experience.

 

The seeds that you have in the Strawberry cough will be garbage because they will most likely be herm. The seeds in the other plants will be crossed with the SC and will mostly be female plants because they were pollinated by fem pollen. I would be interested in test growing some of them for you. lol. Please keep them separate and labeled (WWxSC, SLHxSC ect). You could give them away to other patients and caregivers that are interested in GHS genetics. I think that they would be worth growing especially if they are free. The plants resluting from seeds created by a herm should not be breed any further and you should let any one who gets the seeds know that. You having all that seed is an opportunity to help others. I would love to see some pics as I am sure others would too. Please post your experiences as they can also help patients/CGs.

[Chubutta]

Blake, appreciate your response. Hit me up with a way that I can contact you.

 

 

-Chewy

[urminutegot]

oz plant no problem. I did everything wrong with my first plants, including snapping one in half at 5 weeks, and still got and oz/plant.

what tent are you using? I have a secret jardin dr80 that has been working out real well with a 400watt.

I have been amazed by the amount of stretch in my plants. Both indica and sativa. they start out so small and cute, then whamo, 4 ft tall. I started my plants from seed and moved them into 12/12 when they had 5 branch nodes. 2 plants at the same time from bag seed. Probably white rhino or sour diesel. Good thing is I always smoke the headbangers so they are sure to be great. lol Anyhow, one of the plants is about 3 ft tall and the other is 4 ft. They have been under hps for 4 weeks now and have finished the stretch. Hope this helps.

[TheGanz]

I don't recommend topping your plants at all. I never top ANY of my plants EVER. It's the worst thing you can do to your plants.

 

No matter how you look at it the FACT of the matter is, cutting the top of the plant off will seriously reduce it's overall yield. This is because chopping the top of the plant off stops the production of new branching. Doing so means less bud sites right from the start. DO NOT TOP YOUR PLANTS. If space is an issue, put them into bloom phase earlier when they are smaller so that when they stretch they don't outgrow the space you have. Or you can simply bend them over gently as they get too tall. It also helps knowing the tendancies of the plants you grow such as how much they stretch before they stop growin upwards and start producing flowers.

 

I also never recommend trimming off ANY leaves or branches. Doing so inhibits the plants normal growth rate because the loss of leaves forces the plant to use nutrients and energy to create more leaves. Clipping or yanking leaves off will stress the plant. Think of it this way, the leaves are like the "food factories" for the new growth that is coming in. The leaves act kind of like a stomach, they "digest" the light and make energy with it for the new growth. If you remove the source of food it will struggle to make more leaves and new growth.

 

Those plants are looking VERY healthy Chub. Don't screw it up by being ignorant! You're looking at a healthy yield there my man.

 

If you're going to take clones you should do them ASAP. Take them from the lowest branches. Don't take clones of plants that are already in bloom. Take your clones FIRST, then force them into bloom and then, you will know whether your clones are male or female without stressing the clones. If you take clones from a plant that is already changed it's metabolism and is in bloom, your clones may not survive as they will be shocked from the flip flopping of the photoperiod.

 

The new growth coming in a bright-yellowish-green is an indication of high Nitrogen levels within the soil. Judging by the pictures this may very well be the case as your fan leaves are all a very healthy dark green color as well. Don't panic! This is a very good thing! That means that you have very good levels of nitrogen in your medium. All you have to do is not feed them any more Nitrogen.

 

They are looking very good. Keep up the good work!

 

 

 

I thought the whole purpose of topping the plants were to encourage branching and a more bushy plant versus a tall lanky plant?

[THC-Farmer]

WoW!

 

I'm sorry to hear about this Chubutta! What an unfortunate situation.

 

At least you didn't plant regular seeds and end up with all males!

 

Better luck next time, yea?

 

Here's the deal on Feminized seeds and why they are beneficial to a ganja farmer -

 

First and foremost, many people aren't aware that Hermaphroditism is 100% natural in flowering plants and it's an actual survival adaptation.

 

Cannabis is a very simple but yet very complex organism. It has many adaptational abilities that help it ensure that it's genetics will prevail, in this aspect it is very simple and similar to all other dioecious plants. The Cannabis plant is a dioecious annual angiosperm. Also known as an annual flowering plant that has either male or female sex parts. Flowering plants have long been the study of amazing survival phenomena. There are many different types of flowering plants most of which are classified into two categories, Bisexual or Unisexual. Almost all Bisexual plants are literally natural Hermaphrodites or Monoclinous. Once classified as either Bisexual or Unisexual there are many other classifications that more specifically describes the sexual situations and genetic tendancies of the species itsself.

 

Cannabis falls into the Unisexual category. But Cannabis is actually very unique and quite complex in the sexual aspect of plant life. Cannabis is a Dioecious species. However, It also falls into the Subdioecious family. Subdioecious is a tendency in some dioecious plants to produce monoecious variants. The plant in particular would have to normally produce male or female plants but some are hermaphroditic, with female plants producing some male or hermaphroditic flowers or vice versa. The condition is thought to represent a transition between hermaphroditism and dioecy.

 

Hermaphroditism is a genetic adaptation present in almost all flowering plant life. With regard to Cannabis this is even more evident as every single cannabis plant sustains the ability to turn hermaphroditic in its genes. Regardless of the male/female genetic material inside the seed.

 

In lamen terms, what this means is that even with regular Cannabis seeds you can still end up with a hermaphrodite because it's a reserved genetic ability.

 

However, there is a twist and an actual reason for it. The only way a Cannabis plant will turn hermaphroditic is if it has some type of irregular and/or sudden stressor. This stressor could be anything, from a sudden lack of nutrients all the way to light leaks. Also, different strains and genetic compounds will exhibit different stress level requirements. Meaning some genetics will hermaphrodite a lot easier than others and vice versa.

 

To achieve feminized seeds you have to create a genetic anomole where the male gene is completely absent but the sexual exchange still occurs... It can be any strain or genetic compound of Cannabis plant because they all contain the hormones and growth response to turn hermaphroditic but it has to be female. In order to trigger that hormone however, what has to happen is the plant must be stressed to the point that it triggers the Hermaphroditic hormonal growth response. There are numerous methods to stress a Cannabis plant to the point that it turns hermaphroditic. The most common method used amoung professional breeders is the use of Collidial Silver chemical hormone compound. Once the hormone has been triggered the plant instinctively begins to produce pollen sacs. These pollen sacs are very unique though because they do not contain any male genes. They are all female genetics. The result of pollenation from female pollen is seeds that have developed in the absence of male genes, a.k.a. feminized seeds.

 

The myth behind all this is that somehow by doing this it segregates the plants hermaphroditic genes and makes them more prominent. I call it a myth because it is exactly that. There is no scientific evidence that this occurs or that this phenomena even CAN occur. The hermaphroditic ability is determined in the plants genetics from the beginning of it's life as a seed... If the original plant/s genetics are naturally prone to hermaphroditism than ANY seed, feminized or not, is going to exhibit that ability based on that plants genetic tendancies and the stress levels required to trigger the hormonal response specific to that plant. There is no way to change that plants genetic compound or it's hormonal response levels. To achieve something like that would require genetic manipulation. Hermaphrodites are not genetically altered plants. They are 100% natural and carry all the original genetics of the mother plant... A feminized seed will respond the same as a normally bred seed under the same environmental stressors.

 

My opinion on this is that I have yet to see anyone actually try to prove this by side by side trial. However, I stand a firm ground by the side of the current scientific evidence on the issue. The only seeds I will use are feminized seeds. I wouldn't have it any other way. Throughout my cultivation experience I have indeed had a few hermies that just happened to have been sprouted from feminized seeds. However that doesn't make them any different from the hermies I got from regular seeds. Yes, I have and you can too, get a hermaphrodite from regular seeds.

 

Before I knew anything about genetics, botany, or feminized seeds I did like everyone else did. Just took seeds from a good bag, germinated them in paper towel, then planted them in the dirt and hoped for the best. Being inexperienced during my beginning years of cultivation my environments were always far from optimal. I had bullchit CFL setups and T5s at the time, scrappy grow boxes that weren't properly sealed off and what not. I was having horrible luck. I had more males than females half the time. And the females I did get were the sorriest excuse for a deficient plant you could imagine. Something striked me as odd one harvest when I noticed two of my ladies had beans in it! I was absolutely POSITIVE I had weeded out all the males. Needless to say I found two hermaphrodites. At the time I didn't know Cannabis plants could do that. That's when I got online and started reading about hermaphroditism. That's right, I learned and experienced my first hermaphrodites from REGULAR Cannabis seeds. I learned as much as I could about the subject after that. I started getting very serious about cultivating. I even took a Botany class to help better my understanding of plant life. Once I learned about feminized seeds, hermaphroditism and everything in between, I went femi and never looked back!

 

The bottom line is this. Any Cannabis plant can turn hermie. Some strains are more prone to the response than others. We cannot change that response, it is genetic.

 

Here's a good way to look at it also -

 

You can start with 10 regular seeds and end up with 10 females. Or you could end up with 10 males. Or you could end up with 9 males and 1 female. Or you can end up with 8 males, 1 hermie and 1 female. Or 9 females and 1 male. Or you could end up with 8 females, 1 hermie and 1 male. Or you could end up with 10 hermies. (LOTS of variables)

 

Or you can start with 10 feminized seeds and end up with 10 females. Or you could end up with 9 females and 1 hermie. Or you can end up with 8 females, 1 hermie, and uhhh, another female? Or you could end up with 10 hermies... (Only a few variables)

 

The point is, regardless of the hermaphroditic tendancy, by using feminized seeds you VASTLY increase your chances of a female outcome. Not to mention it can save a LOT of time by cloning those feminized plants. The actual biological proccess of inducing the hermaphroditic hormone, whether it is induced naturally or chemically, is basically an exploit on a natural occurance. But this does not mean that it's not a natural occurance to begin with.

 

I hope this helps some people understand this whole deboggle a little better.

[THC-Farmer]

I thought the whole purpose of topping the plants were to encourage branching and a more bushy plant versus a tall lanky plant?

 

Nope. Actually topping the plant is a technique developed by indoor cultivators many many years ago to combat hieght restricted gardens. By topping your plant you stop the main stalk from growing any further. Sure some more small side branches will come out and begin to stretch upwards but they are not the same as the main stalk. You have to look at the overall structure of the plant very closely to understand this.

 

Topping your plant allows you to cram more plants with an even canopy under your light source. It does not and never was intended to, increase the yield of the plant itsself.

 

Try it outdoors under the sun with two clones from the same plant. Top one and leave the other. Compare the yields. The outcome will explain itsself.

[Chubutta]

I'm like 8 weeks into flower and my plants look much better since getting that hermie out many weeks ago. There is seeds in some of the bud but not as bad as I thought. I have some nice buds going, but I believe they would have been bigger if I didnt run into the hermie pollinating problem. Seems like the plants continue to grow white hairs though. Maybe my flowering time will be a little bit longer? Any advice? This is a great learning experience for me. I have some clones going for my next grow as we speak, I plan on washing my flowering room with a bleach water solution. Appreciate everyones responses. THC Farmer, I enjoyed your detailed post, thank you.

 

Heres a few garden shots!

 

-Chewy