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I read on here of so many people getting raided and are clueless as to what they should and/or can do. Well I decided to start this in hope that it may help people develop a plan if they do get raided.

Well, on the door to my room I have a sign that I got off of this forum, it basically says that I am legal and gives my patient number as well as the phone numbers to the MDCH MMP people to verify my card. Also gives the laws telling them if they take or damage my materials they are committing a crime, a felony actualy.

So, if I get raided, my plan is to first get ahold of the state police and file charges. This will start a papertrAil :) this will get rid of any county or city politics. If u call them they have to come, they have to file a police report. Which can be used in a lawsuit or a court case.. Hopefully I won't have to get a lawyer, but if I do they will def have to know the mmj law..

So what do u guys think? Do u have any kind of plan if raided?

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A great thread. But the first post ends unwisely. Proceed without a lawyer? The court will appoint one for you. Your only out is to hire a private attorney or to represent yourself--same as you would do your own brain surgery, right--by the way, I haved no professional legal credentials. So one of the costs of doing business that has to be built into each ounce you sell has to be that $10,000 savings account, that, when the unthinkable happens and your grow is taken down, you hand to a private attorney for representing you in this matter--every business builds the cost into their product; a purveyor of mm is just more likely to need it, and much sooner than most other businesses.

 

The one "out" from this is the private axe I grind every chance I get, that every one of us remit $50 per ounce sold, to MMMA, and they use it to keep on retainer private attorneys who serve as co-counsel with the court-appointed counsel to represent members who are raided or otherwise charged. Call it the Michigan Medical Marijuana Legal Defense Fund. These attorneys would be specialists in the Michigan MM law and the cases decided in all the venues across Michigan, to help the "overworked, non MM specialist court-appointed attorney" give the defendant the best representation possible. So much for grinding my axe.

 

Not said in a sh*tty way, but to point out the lack of wisdom in representing oneself. In the law there's an old saying, "The defendent who represents himself has a fool for a client."

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I have the same sign as well as multiple copies of the law. I also have a bucket for stems and other trash that is labeled "Trash to be Destroyed" and the part of the law that says "any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots."

 

The report to the state police might be a good idea. Remember though SWET is a state police agency. Maybe one of the lawyers could chime in on that?

 

I would also think, as PB has pointed out in other threads, that the Michigan Department of Civil Rights would be a good place to make a report.

 

I have considered putting a lawyer on retainer but I have a good friend that is a lawyer and don't think I will have a problem getting fast actions.

 

Don't talk to the police if they do raid you. Any comment can be misheard or misinterpreted. LEO are experts at getting you to say stuff that is against your best interest. The only words out of your mouth should be "I want my lawyer."

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well, a visit from LEO is a lot different than being *raided*. you won't really have much time to prepare if you are truly being raided because they are going to bust down your door with guns drawn. if you have dogs, expect them to get shot. they seem to do this for fun these days.

 

on the other hand, if you are just being visited by the police:

 

1. put your dogs in the bedroom.

2. have you card and paperwork ready.

3. answer the door, ask them why they are there, and why they insist on coming in. if you know you are within your limits, and they don't have a warrant, then you are not obligated to let them in. period.

4. if they do have a warrant, take them in, show them your card/paperwork, then show them the grow area, and hope you are within the limits.

 

be polite, answer their questions. DO NOT say anything to the cops unless they asked you a question. people get nervous and tend to run at the mouth around the cops and they are trained to take advantage of this. just answer their questions. no more, no less.

 

i cannot stress enough putting your dogs away. especially if you have dogs that are prone to "guard behavior" and/or certain breeds (pits, dobie's, rotts, GSD's, etc). the cops these days seem to get off on shooting dogs in front of their owners for no good reason at all.

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Yes the dogs will be shot. A friend of mine is a firefighter, and told me that the polices "new" policy concerning a dog in a raid is to just shoot it. They see it as easier to just shoot the dog than to worry about it biting someone and all that. It's complete moo-poo but yea.

Also, u do not have to let a Leo in your house without a warrant. I repeat: you do not have to let them in without a warrant! Step outside with them

If they come to your house. Literaly step out, shut your door, and continue your conversation with them

Outside. I have dine this on many occasions, once they r in ur house they can pretty much look thru anything they want. Better to keep them outside.. Here is the link to the grow room signs: http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/19363-grow-room-sign/page__fromsearch__1

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Yes the dogs will be shot. A friend of mine is a firefighter, and told me that the polices "new" policy concerning a dog in a raid is to just shoot it. They see it as easier to just shoot the dog than to worry about it biting someone and all that. It's complete moo-poo but yea.

Also, u do not have to let a Leo in your house without a warrant. I repeat: you do not have to let them in without a warrant! Step outside with them

If they come to your house. Literaly step out, shut your door, and continue your conversation with them

Outside. I have dine this on many occasions, once they r in ur house they can pretty much look thru anything they want. Better to keep them outside.. Here is the link to the grow room signs: http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/19363-grow-room-sign/page__fromsearch__1

Thanks! +Rep

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GOOD THREAD! :thumbsu::goodjob:

 

First, I'll find a lawyer, see if I can have him or her on retainer, if possible I'll get a free consultation to discuss my situation. I have a plan in the works that'd cover my needs if I'm raided, have something set aside. Like anything else, although no one wants to think about a disaster, planning ahead will help relieve some of the stress. In case of a home being lost to forfeiture or a public housing tenant gets evicted, plan ahead for a place to stay even if it's just temporary, have an alternate backup plan. I'd never let leo in without a warrant. Always within reach would be my paperwork and/or card, along with a copy of the law. What about service dogs? Ooo that'd really be a case if one of those were shot! Don't put it past them, those leos are already pumped up by the time they get there, go into a blind rage and are totally out of control. When compassion was being given to the people, many were absent that day.

 

There's a very good thread from Dr Tarzan here about what happened to him when he was pulled over. In summary, he has a card he made that has statements on it about his rights, which he showed leo right away. It asserted his right to be silent, cited a few laws, including the right to refuse to be searched, which can be done if there's no warrant, which there wasn't. Throughout the whole ordeal, he was calm, compliant, and polite. The situation ended well. I hope by doing what he did it will work for others, too. If there's a warrant, everything changes, but we still have rights. I hope you never get raided. I wish there'd never be another raid on the MM community.

 

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Well lets see I've been studying police behavior for a while. What they do and what they are suppose to do are two different things. If the are called they will watch your residence observe your traffic and do traffic stops on your guests go through trash ect. They do this to obtain information this is were they get there information to obtain probable cause rather what is said is true or false they can say what ever they want and that is there probable cause. At this time they come to your home to get you to talk and that is more probable cause and if they don't pull people over leaving your residence they can just wait till you leave and stop you when you are returning home this is if they have no warrant. As for going out side to talk to them BIG MISTAKE if your inside stay inside talk through the window so they can see you and only say I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCHES If they had a warrant your door would be getting knocked down. If you are out side they can put you in the police car and do what they want legal or not with no warrant and no consent to search kill dog destroy house ect do to having probable cause the probable cause being real or not. You wouldn't think the police don't lie but they do and also get away with it. Stay legal keep your paper work together keep mouth shut and hope for the best I've seen people go down that were 100% legal.

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The one "out" from this is the private axe I grind every chance I get, that every one of us remit $50 per ounce sold, to MMMA, and they use it to keep on retainer private attorneys who serve as co-counsel with the court-appointed counsel to represent members who are raided or otherwise charged. Call it the Michigan Medical Marijuana Legal Defense Fund.

 

 

Raid Insurance. :D

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What's really sad about all this is, I believe people have the right to physically defend themselves when their lives are in danger, though I do not own a gun, have never used one, and hope I'd never have to, have never even held or touched one, but if the people do start defending themselves that way, the whole community gets a black eye, we'll all be branded as violent potheads, and besides that, if it's a knock down, drag out physical fight leo wants, we'd play right into their hands. I try to remember all this when I get angry at them. We have to remember those who teach peace and the peaceful revolutions. We need a revolution now, I hope it will always remain peaceful at least on our part.

 

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Standard practice even if dogs are caged. Also besides the cost of a lawyer I would include the cost of a good discrete dvr video camera surveillance system w/ motion sensors, and sound. I would hide the dvr in a wall and have a vcr tv dummy set up in a closet.(just encase the tape disappears or is accidentally destroyed) This way if police don't identify themselves, violate your civil rights, beat the crap out of you while in handcuffs, threaten your children, you have a copy w/sound. If you find a good installer than can even set up a override switch that kicks on when your door is kicked down. You would want front door, driveway, front room, and hallway.

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Shoot my dogs! Hmmm really? They would get sued, you guys say that so lightly."theyll shoot your dog" you guys must not have dogs.

I have a dog they said they would shoot it if it is mean so I let them in with no warrant so my dog wouldn't be killed and that was there consent to search.

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I have a dog they said they would shoot it if it is mean so I let them in with no warrant so my dog wouldn't be killed and that was there consent to search.

So your saying they threatened to shoot your dog if you did not consent to search and you went for it?

 

 

They come to my house without a warrant and try to con their way into my home im getting my attorney on the phone and handing it to them i have two big dogs one pit and a presa and they stay in the bedroom after dark with a sign on their door announcing their presence in the room .

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Yes they could, but how many times have police pushed their way inside while talking to someone through a open door. You could always talk through a window if you wanted.

Im buying a intercom system when i install my video cameras and dvr one for each door and a camera for each door including the grow room let them try their congame on camera no warrant no search end of discussion. :thumbsd:

 

 

Thing is the younger generation did not have the displeasure of dealing with law enforcement in the 70s and 80s you learn a thing or two about your rights over 47 years.

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