Making A Tincture

[Norby]

Should you decarb the flowers before you kief them or after making the kief?  I'm making a tincture by dissolving the kief in alcohol.

[trichcycler]

I did once, and decided to not do it again. I don't use "fresh" green material though. Instead I use it after its dried, maybe 80% of the water weight out, and it's effective eaten right off of the stick. When decarb's further, still effective, but dopey, in a slack jawed way, not my preference is all.

I soaked mine in 198 for a week or so. I suspect it was done in a day though. Extraction doesn't take too long at all. I warmed it one time to evaporate the alcohol, and voila!  I admit I like it better with the alcohol in it, my mainstay way.

 

I hope yours turns out perfect !

[Nuggitz]

What is your favorite tincture/extract anyone?

[trichcycler]

..the  kind that comes from cannabis

What is your favorite tincture/extract anyone?

[phaquetoo]

I did once, and decided to not do it again. I don't use "fresh" green material though. Instead I use it after its dried, maybe 80% of the water weight out, and it's effective eaten right off of the stick. When decarb's further, still effective, but dopey, in a slack jawed way, not my preference is all.

I soaked mine in 198 for a week or so. I suspect it was done in a day though. Extraction doesn't take too long at all. I warmed it one time to evaporate the alcohol, and voila!  I admit I like it better with the alcohol in it, my mainstay way.

 

I hope yours turns out perfect !

Yours was done in a day lmao!

 

If you just want the thc you do it quick, if you want all of the canna's you do it for at least 6 weeks, you can make it with any drinkable liquir the stronger the better and the longer its in the dark and perking, curing, extracting the better it is,  you put it in a non see thru jar, in a paper bag and in a cool dark place it needs to be shaked real good a few times a day works well, no light!

 

I dont decarb mine, I do let it get good and dry before I grind it up, I like to make tea bags, I take and cut some cheese cloth into big squares and put my ground budd in it and tie it up tight, no mm leaks out and you dont have to do anything but squeeze the alcohol out of it when you are done, no muss no fuss!

 

Peace

[trichcycler]

I didn't say it was done in a day, but I did say "I suspect it was done in a day"

 

I can use a machine to show me the exact amount of "oil" extracted from a measured amount of material, using the same alcohol, and I see it doesn't take very long exposure at all to extract the active ingredients. The water present in most alcohols will ultimately, given time, extract the water soluble constituents in the material. Some folks enjoy those, some don't.

We are talking about "Keif" not marijuana leafy/bud material. the difference being is that only wax dissolves in the alcohol, then the active canna oil becomes part of the solution instantly. It takes minutes for the waxy trichome heads of the keif to melt. Weeks would accomplish nothing more. Its the same with bud material. Except as soon as the waxy heads are dissolved, releasing the active ingredients,the alcohol/water mixture begins to "dissolve" other things, besides the active ingredient containing trichomes, most likely the crap in the leaves. some like that, some don't.

 

.... all of the "canna's are contained in the trichome heads, not in the leafy material. A liquor with higher water content(lower proof) could take longer to dissolve waxy heads than say 198 liquor.

 

peace

Yours was done in a day lmao!

 

If you just want the thc you do it quick, if you want all of the canna's you do it for at least 6 weeks, you can make it with any drinkable liquir the stronger the better and the longer its in the dark and perking, curing, extracting the better it is,  you put it in a non see thru jar, in a paper bag and in a cool dark place it needs to be shaked real good a few times a day works well, no light!

 

I dont decarb mine, I do let it get good and dry before I grind it up, I like to make tea bags, I take and cut some cheese cloth into big squares and put my ground budd in it and tie it up tight, no mm leaks out and you dont have to do anything but squeeze the alcohol out of it when you are done, no muss no fuss!

 

Peace

[Wild Bill]

I've been adding a product called Sweet Drops to tinctures. It's a liquid stevia sweetener available in 17 flavors. You only need a couple of drops. My favorite is root beer.

[AmishRnot4ganja]

Is there a formula that works best?  Like one ounce of bud to one quart of liquor, etc.

[trichcycler]

That would work very well.

 

It's like "how much does it take to relieve your pain".  subjective, and dependent upon your needs. If a quarter teaspoon or so is a fair dose, your ratio would be good for me. But if you only want to take a drop or two..........

Is there a formula that works best?  Like one ounce of bud to one quart of liquor, etc.

[Norby]

I made a few tinctures and some gel caps today.  I kiefed the leaf first and then decarbed in a pyrex petri dish.  When my wife came home she couldn't smell the kief decarbing in the oven.  Luckily she wasn't home earlier when I was decarbing the bud for the coconut oil.

  The kief is dissolving in the alcohol.  Seemed to dissolve quick if I didn't make it into a ball. I cleaned my pollen shakers and grinder in some Iso today and put it into a mason jar for tomorrow.  I think I'll kief up a 1/4 oz of Lemon Skunk and a 1/4oz of QE tomorrow and experiment some more.  I'm thinking of decarbing it and adding it strait to coconut oil instead of decarbing the bud and putting it into coconut oil and water then straining and cooling and taking off the coconut oil and dabbing it dry, etc. Either that or I'll decarb and add it to the iso and make some oil to add to some coconut oil for capsules.  Making the oil seems like an added step too though since I wouldn't be vaping or smoking it.  Just thought I should add something to the cleanings from the equipment as it wouldn't yield much oil.  Maybe I'll add some kief and make some oil for smoking or adding to some glycerin for a tincture for people who can't handle the alcohol taste.  Could you add strait decarbed kief to glycerin and have it dissolve?

 

I have some stevia I grew 3 years ago, going on 4,  It's still as sweet and extracts well with alcohol.

[trichcycler]

keif will dissolve in glycerine, but I'd take another look at that additive. A homogenizer will go a long way in blending for an ecig or the like.

 You can alternatively evaporate the alcohol from your tincture before consuming, to avoid the alcohol taste/content. Not sure what kinds of glycols are used but this doesn't read well. Do your homework, be safe

http://www.naturalhealthway.com/articles/chemicals/chemicals.html

[Wild Bill]

Is there a formula that works best?  Like one ounce of bud to one quart of liquor, etc.

 

I usually shoot for 1 oz. per pint.

 

keif will dissolve in glycerine, but I'd take another look at that additive. A homogenizer will go a long way in blending for an ecig or the like.

 You can alternatively evaporate the alcohol from your tincture before consuming, to avoid the alcohol taste/content. Not sure what kinds of glycols are used but this doesn't read well. Do your homework, be safe

http://www.naturalhealthway.com/articles/chemicals/chemicals.html

 

If you're referring to the Stevia additive here is something that might allay your concerns.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steviol_glycoside#Health_effects

 

Steviol and rebaudioside A are not mutagenic at doses and routes of administration at which humans are exposed to them. Two 2010 review studies found no health concerns with stevia or its sweetening extracts.

 

The WHO's Joint Experts Committee on Food Additives has approved, based on long-term studies, an acceptable daily intake of steviol glycoside of up to 4 milligrams per kilogram of body weight.

 

While the FDA does not consider whole-leaf Stevia or crude Stevia extracts to be generally recognized as safe (GRAS) food additives, several companies have submitted notices to the FDA that they consider specific rebaudiosides to be GRAS for use as food additives, and have had these notices accepted by the FDA.

 

The European Food Safety Authority evaluated the safety of steviol glycosides, extracted from the leaves of the Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni plant, as sweetener and expressed its opinion on 10 March 2010.

The Authority established an Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI) for steviol glycosides, expressed as steviol equivalents, of 4 mg/kg bodyweight/day. On 11 November 2011, the European Commission allowed the usage of steviol glycosides as a food additive, establishing maximum content levels for different types of foods and beverages.

The standard dosage for the Sweet Drops is 5 drops (.208 ml) per 8 oz.

 

[trichcycler]

nope, its the PEG,VG, etc I was referring to.

I usually shoot for 1 oz. per pint.

 

 

If you're referring to the Stevia additive here is something that might allay your concerns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steviol_glycoside#Health_effects
 

The standard dosage for the Sweet Drops is 5 drops (.208 ml) per 8 oz.
 

[Norby]

I was thinking food grade vegetable glycerin.  The stuff they use for cake frosting and what i think they use in non alcohol based tinctures.

[trichcycler]

Vegetable glycerins can irritate your respiratory system and gastrointestinal tract. If vegetable glycerin is accidentally inhaled, it can irritate the mucous membranes in the lungs and cause wheezing, swelling of the tongue and upper respiratory tract infections. High amounts of oral vegetable glycerin can upset your stomach and result in nausea, diarrhea and in rare cases inflammation of your gastrointestinal tract, called gastroenteritis. It's often manufactured with sulfites to preserve the compound. PEG is routinely mixed with glycerin, similar roots with  stuff that's in antifreeze. I use it to permeate DNA cell wall structure when breeding cannabis in vitro. It's not even safe to touch be safe, medicate well

 

[Norby]

The stuff I got seems to be fine and i have IBS.  It's only a few ml per dose.  I mixed 1 oz. glycerin with 1/2 oz devil springs and 1/2 oz distilled water and 2 drops peppermint extract and gram of decarbed hash. It tastes like peppermint schnapps and packs a punch.  I prefer the coconut oil coco butter capsules myself but figured I'd try it since it's easier to dial in a dose.  I prefer the tincture i made with the glycerin/alcohol to the strait devils springs.