California Med's In Mi Need To Stop!

[peanutbutter]

There is a huge surplus in the market. Imports aren't needed to lower prices. Criminal activity should be avoided at all cost. Our law is already under attack. It undermines our claim that we are acting lawfully and it is the government that seeks to undermine the will of the people. If we don't honor the law, why should they?

 

"THEY" failed the test. "THEY" don't respect the law or the people.

 

"THEY" haven't since the very first day.

[MORE COWBELL]

You're argument is to support the prices in Michigan to help the caregivers.

 

That's against the interests of patients. At their expense.

 

You promote higher prices for patients in Michigan.

 

 

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

this is a patient issue correct?????????????????

 

fair compensation= great meds

 

think i covered this before, cost of production about $10-17 a Zip if you got your methods locked in and good genetics-that is not a lot of money-even a 300% markup(standard retail middleman in any business model) would still be only 30-60 a ZIP-someones getting rich off of us patients..............it aint me

[mayorshaggy37]

I have a question. The MACC is all the Compassion Clubs in Michigan or just a select group of people?

[peanutbutter]

I have a question. The MACC is all the Compassion Clubs in Michigan or just a select group of people?

 

I could try to answer that, but it would probably be the straw that gets me banned forever.

[Surfergirl]

Yeah thats messed up..I was talking to a disp worker myself.....trying to figure out why my product isnt selling. Turns out they are pushing there own meds, and this cali stuff. i asked many people..what happens in there..they said..they say" this is good" this isnt..and direct them to there cali stuff.

 

This is ok....because karma is a mofo. They will get caught all on there own...look at greenleaf.

[Surfergirl]

Any dispencery selling Cali meds, should be closed! Dont stand for it..boycott there greed! This is for compassion...not someones bank account.

[StonedPlanet]

So it comes down to this IMO..

 

A dispensary could either settle for sub-par meds or obtain high quality meds from an outsource for the same price or cheaper...

Which would you do as an owner?

or

Which would you prefer as a patient?

 

When supply doesn't keep up with demand this is what happens too.. We have enough CG's in MI and yet we need to outsource.. I don't get it!

 

What could be the causes:

a.) A+ meds being sold to non-patients. This can cause an outsourcing as their won't be enough meds for ACTUAL patients. I am not saying this is whats happening, but a possibility none-the-less.

The fix: Sell meds to patients only!

 

b.) High prices for b+ meds. Sub-par. I've seen meds with fibers stuck in the buds, hairs, and I even found a piece of aluminum foil buried in a bud once.

The fix: Don't worry so much about quantity. Worry about QUALITY! Keep your room clean and do your best to keep your prices down as well. Wear a hair net! There are chemicals in shampoos, conditioners, gels, and sprays.. I don't want that in my meds! Perhaps a zip up suit to keep fibers from your clothes from entering the room.. And yes, even latex gloves (non-powder coated).. Knuckle hairs fall off all the time! Eliminating possibility of contamination is the only way to achieve A+ meds! I don't care how strong the buds are, if there are human, dog, or cat hairs I don't want it. I would rather buy Cali or Colo meds!

 

So do I see outsourcing as necessary? NO! Absolutely not!

But hopefully it will force the quality to go up and the prices to come down!

 

Just my three cents

 

c.)

[LongHairBri]

the dispenserys are illegally importing from out of state and driving the wholesale prices down while keeping retail the same. I use to get 300-350 per oz. last year. now, if they'll even buy ANY overages they offer 250 OR LESS. How is this a good thing for the community?

[Jipo]

How are you gonna complain about 250 an oz. Talk about driving the prices up, selling to a dispensary at 300-350 is absurd, then they have to mark it up to what 450-500? Lets all complain about high prices, but right there's your cause...

[LongHairBri]

Don't misunderstand my point. I'm all for lower prices, $250 is good money and fair. BUT why isn't the discount filtering down to the patients? They still charge $480 per oz.

[raythat]

Calif. woman pleads guilty in Ohio plane pot case

 

(AP) – 1 day ago

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — As the chief courier of a California-to-Ohio marijuana shipping scheme pleaded guilty Friday, prosecutors said the investigation continued into other possible suspects in the plot that brought hundreds of pounds of marijuana hidden in suitcases to Ohio on private jets.

 

Authorities say Lisette Lee was the primary courier for a scheme that distributed about 7,000 pounds of the drug and made more than $3 million from November 2009 through April.

[+Silverblue]

And yet again. States that have legalized large commercial grows are breaking the law by exporting marijuana. Illegal activity tarnishes all of us and destroys Michigan Jobs. Sooner or later we will be forced to answer for this illegal activity in hearings.

 

There is no silver lining. This is just plain bad business. It is short sighted and will end up costing caregivers their jobs and patients affordable meds. It is your responsibility to insure the meds you buy are from Michigan. Criminals always end up getting caught. The damage they do while defrauding the system can only be calculated in the human suffering they cause. Thanks, Bb

VERY WELL SAID!

 

They need to consider the consequences of their actions. They may not get caught right away, but one day they will, it's bad enough that those who are abiding by the law are being picked on. Think of how it will affect our community, families, friends, and others in the larger community as well, and it WILL reflect back on US. This kinda stuff HURTS EVERYONE and only brings leo down harder on us all. Do we want to go backwards? All the money in the world is NOT worth the risk! We do NOT wanna lose everything we've fought SO HARD FOR! What would our fallen members say if they knew this? What would they say to those who use our law for their own personal gain? No need to answer that, I'm sure.

 

I wanna help the economy HERE, I wanna keep our rights, I wanna keep OUR MEDS IN OUR STATE!

 

Sincerely, Sb

[StonedPlanet]

Don't misunderstand my point. I'm all for lower prices, $250 is good money and fair. BUT why isn't the discount filtering down to the patients? They still charge $480 per oz.

Simple.. Because they can.

If people will pay it, they will charge it.

 

We do not have a good enough system in place for p2p and c2p transfers of unwanted meds (some call them "overages")..

 

I currently have a thread going with no responses both in the thread or through PM. And yet we have patients and cg's here crying that they "can't sell their meds".

[mizerman]

Don't misunderstand my point. I'm all for lower prices, $250 is good money and fair. BUT why isn't the discount filtering down to the patients? They still charge $480 per oz.

$20 a gram = $560 an ounce

$25 a gram = $700 an ounce

 

If anyone believes that is "patient friendly", then you must also believe that I have been making porno movies for the past 10 years since becoming disabled.

 

 

Mizerman

[+EdwardGlen]

I haven't been to or heard of a dispensary yet that will provide free medication to the poor patients but every single caregiver I know will.

 

Grow Michigan

[Clear and Unambiguous]

And yet again. States that have legalized large commercial grows are breaking the law by exporting marijuana. Illegal activity tarnishes all of us and destroys Michigan Jobs. Sooner or later we will be forced to answer for this illegal activity in hearings.

 

There is no silver lining. This is just plain bad business. It is short sighted and will end up costing caregivers their jobs and patients affordable meds. It is your responsibility to insure the meds you buy are from Michigan. Criminals always end up getting caught. The damage they do while defrauding the system can only be calculated in the human suffering they cause. Thanks, Bb

 

That was just some bricked up Mexican cartel garbage. I think the name of the strain was "Brown Frown".

 

Until Michigan gets more growers out of the basement and into greenhouses and light industrial buildings, CA and CO will be sending many many meds. You have to bring it to scale, which looks like 200 a zip for very good meds. Only then will it stop.

 

Hell, the post office is not even prosecuting over a few hundred grams if they even find it, they just toss it out. I'm sure patients all over Michigan are getting a couple ounces in the mail from time to time.

 

Why don't you just get it over with already and start a Michigan grower's union? I must say, you would make a hell of a union man BB.

[mrd]

There are several points to be made.

Long hair in the last reply asks a pertinent question that puts PB replies in question. He would be correct if lower prices were reflected at the dispensaries. But if they are not the importation of the illegal importation of mj from places where lots of od mj is grown shows that the motive is one of increasing the margins of the dispensary. If you can get lbs from an od plant grown in sunny Ca then having a surplus there really kicks the price down. So if a dispensary can make lets say 100 dollars more per oz then the difference is going to be significant. Here the motivation is clearly personal profit. It has nothing to do with helping patients. If they lowered their prices to be a discounter like a Wal mart then their motives would be different.

 

PB arguments are like importing stuff from China. He uses the same argument that the right wing makes about importing goods from countries where labor is dirt cheap. They say it is good for the consumer. Of course they avoid the fact that we have lost over five million manufacturing jobs during the Bush debacle. Right now we have multinational companies making money hand over fist amisdt high unemployment. But they are not hiring as much as they might if we did not import so much. So the companies win and the consumer looses. Same with dispensaries only substitute weed grown outside MI for the USA and CA/Colorado for China. Things might be cheaper but you are destroying the manufacturing base and the local economy by doing so.

 

The other aspect is that this is totally illegal activity and when a person who is connected to a dispensary gets caught with serious poundage it impacts public perception and makes keeping yet alone improving our current med mj law into question.

 

Dispensaries seem to be useful. But since things here are still "the Wild Wild West" they can potentially ride ruff shod over those who utilize them.

 

I find the current mj law as it stands does not cover many things that we have questions about. I am not sure that I have good answers unless there was a way to amend the current law with those amendments not detracting from what we have now.

[phaquetoo]

Simple.. Because they can.

If people will pay it, they will charge it.

 

We do not have a good enough system in place for p2p and c2p transfers of unwanted meds (some call them "overages")..

 

I currently have a thread going with no responses both in the thread or through PM. And yet we have patients and cg's here crying that they "can't sell their meds".

 

 

you mean i havent asked you what you want to pay me to get rid of your overages and make you within the legal limits, huhuhuh catching my breath

 

how much you want to pay me to get rid of your overages? lmao

 

You know the problem with people not being able to sell the mm, its because most are newbies, and it takes time before you can produce awsome quality meds and get regular crop times! and make it worth what you want people to pay! The problem is not getting good meds from any where in the u.s, the problem is people trying to sell mm that isnt as good as most commericial i can get! Seriuosly and every one becoming legal isnt doing it for the rite reasons, some people see dollar signs whether they are trying to save money and grow them selves (good luck unless it is outdoors) or try and be a c.g and at least meet their cost, which a few of us know is high! so they freak when they see there 1st electric bill with 600wat lites or higher, and than have to get nutes before they even come close to covering cost!!

 

Oh to start a grow room all over again, the way leo is arresting law abbidding citiazens! to save money! rotglmfao!

 

Cali weed is not hurting me or any of you who are using it over mexican weed!

 

and another thing hurting us is people not knowing what they are growing and calling it what ever they want to! I will stick with peeps i can trust, I will get my meds where ive always gotten them and more places!

 

anyone got any of the old cali sensie we used to get in the 70's and 80's? how bout some 20 dollar tye sticks! a lid of jamican anyone?

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

[solabeirtan]

thats 87 a zip

 

that is only 3.05 a GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

why should someone be able to make 600% to 700% profit????????????????????????????????????????

dispensaries charging $25 a gm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

we are being robbed!

Dream On ! PM me Please, you get a Line on that One.

[MORE COWBELL]

Calif. woman pleads guilty in Ohio plane pot case

 

(AP) – 1 day ago

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — As the chief courier of a California-to-Ohio marijuana shipping scheme pleaded guilty Friday, prosecutors said the investigation continued into other possible suspects in the plot that brought hundreds of pounds of marijuana hidden in suitcases to Ohio on private jets.

 

Authorities say Lisette Lee was the primary courier for a scheme that distributed about 7,000 pounds of the drug and made more than $3 million from November 2009 through April.

 

 

OH NO SAY IT AINT SO

[phaquetoo]

$20 a gram = $560 an ounce

$25 a gram = $700 an ounce

 

If anyone believes that is "patient friendly", then you must also believe that I have been making porno movies for the past 10 years since becoming disabled.

 

 

Mizerman

 

 

Sheet go to the dr. if it lasts more than 4 hrs lmao!

 

Phaq that go the the porn studio!

 

i got a close friend getting 200 a zip from a dispense (p--con---) they are getting 28 bucks a gram for it there it was #1 on there list! after he dropped his load at the dispense he came by here and dumped one to me for 125 a zip,, the purple chit with the purp leaves and sheet peeps been talking about on here, Its freaking good@ 125 zip im smiling all day long! Now if i wanted to do a p2p and told this guy he would want 200 zip no prob right? fair is fair, I get my amount no matter what and can do with it as i please, but when i go back,if it is for me i need to be upfront with this person, if im getting for a pt (friend) I also need to tell him, so he can make the extra 75 bucks, like he does to the dispenses,,,bottom line is the dispenses are making more than pizza jointess (no pun intended) they are paying like 7 bucks a gram and charging 28? 200 a zip would be like around 700 off the top of my head for a zip there, what is that like 350% profit! just quick math, but im sure im close,, yea they are ripp offs, but hey to each his own!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

 

The person distributing to the dispenses is way more compassionate than the dispenses are, if you cant run a busines with a 35 to 50% profit you shouldnt do it, if you are making upto 300 to 500% profit, man only in america! If people want to pay it let em, I dont think im any better than any one else, with contacts and sites like this you should all be doing just fine on reasonable meds, if you have a c.g and you are not find another, best advise is as a new pt, just keep your grow rightss dont get a cg till after you learn how you should be aquiring meds, it only cost 10 bucks to apoint a new c.g!

[StonedPlanet]

you mean i havent asked you what you want to pay me to get rid of your overages and make you within the legal limits, huhuhuh catching my breath

 

how much you want to pay me to get rid of your overages? lmao

 

You know the problem with people not being able to sell the mm, its because most are newbies, and it takes time before you can produce awsome quality meds and get regular crop times! and make it worth what you want people to pay! The problem is not getting good meds from any where in the u.s, the problem is people trying to sell mm that isnt as good as most commericial i can get! Seriuosly and every one becoming legal isnt doing it for the rite reasons, some people see dollar signs whether they are trying to save money and grow them selves (good luck unless it is outdoors) or try and be a c.g and at least meet their cost, which a few of us know is high! so they freak when they see there 1st electric bill with 600wat lites or higher, and than have to get nutes before they even come close to covering cost!!

 

Oh to start a grow room all over again, the way leo is arresting law abbidding citiazens! to save money! rotglmfao!

 

Cali weed is not hurting me or any of you who are using it over mexican weed!

 

and another thing hurting us is people not knowing what they are growing and calling it what ever they want to! I will stick with peeps i can trust, I will get my meds where ive always gotten them and more places!

 

anyone got any of the old cali sensie we used to get in the 70's and 80's? how bout some 20 dollar tye sticks! a lid of jamican anyone?

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

The thread I have going is NOT to get RID of "overages"..

I second the tye stick!

[StonedPlanet]

Sheet go to the dr. if it lasts more than 4 hrs lmao!

 

Phaq that go the the porn studio!

 

i got a close friend getting 200 a zip from a dispense (p--con---) they are getting 28 bucks a gram for it there it was #1 on there list! after he dropped his load at the dispense he came by here and dumped one to me for 125 a zip,, the purple chit with the purp leaves and sheet peeps been talking about on here, Its freaking good@ 125 zip im smiling all day long! Now if i wanted to do a p2p and told this guy he would want 200 zip no prob right? fair is fair, I get my amount no matter what and can do with it as i please, but when i go back,if it is for me i need to be upfront with this person, if im getting for a pt (friend) I also need to tell him, so he can make the extra 75 bucks, like he does to the dispenses,,,bottom line is the dispenses are making more than pizza jointess (no pun intended) they are paying like 7 bucks a gram and charging 28? 200 a zip would be like around 700 off the top of my head for a zip there, what is that like 350% profit! just quick math, but im sure im close,, yea they are ripp offs, but hey to each his own!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

 

The person distributing to the dispenses is way more compassionate than the dispenses are, if you cant run a busines with a 35 to 50% profit you shouldnt do it, if you are making upto 300 to 500% profit, man only in america! If people want to pay it let em, I dont think im any better than any one else, with contacts and sites like this you should all be doing just fine on reasonable meds, if you have a c.g and you are not find another, best advise is as a new pt, just keep your grow rightss dont get a cg till after you learn how you should be aquiring meds, it only cost 10 bucks to apoint a new c.g!

Any decent sized restaurant will have to make 3x what they paid for their product. Lots of that profit goes to pay employees, electric, gas, water, and other overhead costs..

The spenses.. They have fewer overheads, but they are slightly different and one can easily be more costly! Take the overhead of needing a lawyer on hand then the employees, electric, gas (for heat), and water (so they can flush the toilet and wash their hands)..

 

The overheads are different but they probably add up to around the same. Don't forget about the city ordinance fees or zoning fees or whatever else goes into having a storefront.. And if you pick a chain name, LOOK OUT! lol

 

I personally wouldn't operate a spense under my name unless I was making 1000% profit. Not worth it to me, too much risk when LEO can bust in and steal everything!

[mizerman]

It's not up to any of us, at what level someone prices their meds. We may not like it, but that is life. What I do have a problem with is them using our law to perform criminal acts. It is illegal to import meds. If you get arrested doing so, you will loose every dime, you ever made and you will help with the destruction of our law. You are not a businessman if you have to break the law to make a profit. You are a criminal. Thanks, Bb

Well said BB!

 

Extremely well said!

 

 

Mizerman

[peanutbutter]

PB arguments are like importing stuff from China.

 

Not exactly .. CA isn't China.

 

If they make it so mmj can be imported from China, it would be different.

 

CA doesn't pay slave labor.

 

You're not talking about unfair competition. You're upset about any competition at all.

 

The entire conversation is about monopoly pricing efforts. All such efforts target higher prices.

 

Again .. this entire effort, here, targets higher prices for the patient.