A New Market For Our Farmers.

[peanutbutter]

This year, the growers of Michigan have produced a sizable crop for our medical market.

 

Events within the courts and officials have placed a roadblock between the farmers and their market.

 

This leaves many growers in this state with stockpiles they are very uncomfortable holding.

 

There is a possible market that I may have found for these stockpiles.

 

Our doctors.

 

Many doctors wish to study the effects of the intersection of cannabis and cancer in humans.

 

One possibility, is to put entire hospice centers on Rick Simpson oil.

 

Where are the medical professionals going to get their materials to conduct these tests? These medical studies?

 

At this moment, there are piles of working materials scattered across the state of Michigan.

 

So what now .. the stage is set. And we just might receive the permissions needed to conduct the project.

 

How could anyone in their right mind command the deaths of these people that live in hospice?

 

I'll ask that the farmers of Michigan be protected as sources of materials for a medical study.

I want every hospice center in the state to be authorized as testing locations in a medical study.

 

Then we will have the final answer. Does cannabis cure cancer?

 

For this study, each patient will need the resins produced from about one pound of bone dried bud. The very highest quality available.

And there are a LOT of patients.

 

For the time being, I'll ask that the growers take current excesses and make bubble hash from it. This is a first stage of purification that reduces the volume being stored.

This is similar to what GW does with its harvested plant material. After the ice water processes, the company then does a solvent extraction from the bubble THEY produce.

 

I will attempt to arrange for a fair payment for our farmers.

 

Let's keep some people alive. People that modern medicine has given up on.

[mrd]

I am not sure if hospices are the ideal place to find out if cannabis cures cancer. My only misgiving is that unfortunately people who are in hospices are usually in the later stages of dying which,might skew your results into the negative even if you bought them a bit more time. If effective they might live longer than projected but that will not establish that the patient was cured. Perhaps someone who has been told they have a year or 6 months to live might be a better subject. No matter the best of luck with the experiment.

 

Also what aspect of mmj do you think is effective on cancer? If its thc then of course you will prefer to use high thc strains but if it is cbd you would want a high cbd strain. Then you get the question of whether a 50/50 thc/cbd might be better. You need a way to make sure your oil is consistent in terms of content. Certainly you would want to keep track of the thc / cbd ratio in any batch of oils so that you can better evaluate your results. What a pain! Of course you need to know what type of cancer is being treated. Iwas surprised to find out that all cancers are not the same. I had a friend who has colon cancer and it spread to his lungs. It was a different type of cancer than lung cancer. I was surprised by that. I thought they would be the same. Live and learn.Still you need good information so you can better evaluate your results.

[Frank R]

I am not sure if hospices are the ideal place to find out if cannabis cures cancer. My only misgiving is that unfortunately people who are in hospices are usually in the later stages of dying which,might skew your results into the negative even if you bought them a bit more time. If effective they might live longer than projected but that will not establish that the patient was cured. Perhaps someone who has been told they have a year or 6 months to live might be a better subject. No matter the best of luck with the experiment.

 

Also what aspect of mmj do you think is effective on cancer? If its thc then of course you will prefer to use high thc strains but if it is cbd you would want a high cbd strain. Then you get the question of whether a 50/50 thc/cbd might be better. You need a way to make sure your oil is consistent in terms of content. Certainly you would want to keep track of the thc / cbd ratio in any batch of oils so that you can better evaluate your results. What a pain! Of course you need to know what type of cancer is being treated. Iwas surprised to find out that all cancers are not the same. I had a friend who has colon cancer and it spread to his lungs. It was a different type of cancer than lung cancer. I was surprised by that. I thought they would be the same. Live and learn.Still you need good information so you can better evaluate your results.

I would say that running cannabis-cures-cancer tests/studies with hospice residents would be a "do no harm" activity.

And even if only 1 "miracle" happens, its well worth the effort....

[bobandtorey]

I want every hospice center in the state to be authorized as testing locations in a medical study.

 

i to would like to see this but they will tell you they have pills for that

good luck

[mrd]

B&T I understand your statements and agree with them, but that kind of situation is not a good scientific study, although it is a positive endeavor. I believe pb point is to take an approach that possibly will provide enough information so that if it was positive, it would be hard to deny.

 

MRD

[peanutbutter]

I am not sure if hospices are the ideal place to find out if cannabis cures cancer. My only misgiving is that unfortunately people who are in hospices are usually in the later stages of dying which,might skew your results into the negative even if you bought them a bit more time. If effective they might live longer than projected but that will not establish that the patient was cured. Perhaps someone who has been told they have a year or 6 months to live might be a better subject. No matter the best of luck with the experiment.

 

Also what aspect of mmj do you think is effective on cancer? If its thc then of course you will prefer to use high thc strains but if it is cbd you would want a high cbd strain. Then you get the question of whether a 50/50 thc/cbd might be better. You need a way to make sure your oil is consistent in terms of content. Certainly you would want to keep track of the thc / cbd ratio in any batch of oils so that you can better evaluate your results. What a pain! Of course you need to know what type of cancer is being treated. Iwas surprised to find out that all cancers are not the same. I had a friend who has colon cancer and it spread to his lungs. It was a different type of cancer than lung cancer. I was surprised by that. I thought they would be the same. Live and learn.Still you need good information so you can better evaluate your results.

 

Chuckle .. a little late.

 

I am the single person with the most field experience, that is even remotely connected with medicine, in this state.

 

There are more than a few that are looking forward to the field report. I'm being offered to be written up in medical journals.

 

I have a three year head start on them.

 

If I can keep ANY of these people alive .. I simply MUST try.

[strangluv]

Chuckle .. a little late.

 

I am the single person with the most field experience, that is even remotely connected with medicine, in this state.

 

There are more than a few that are looking forward to the field report. I'm being offered to be written up in medical journals.

 

I have a three year head start on them.

 

If I can keep ANY of these people alive .. I simply MUST try.

 

Despite my inclination to chuckle and say "Good Luck" ....I'd love to see you succeed.

 

You probably know the hurdles as well as anyone.

[pergamum362]

I would love to see something like this happen.Although I do agree with hospices not being the ideal place for testing,but its a start.your kickin donkey pb.

[peanutbutter]

Two years ago .. more than two years ago, I requested that a new condition be added to the list of acceptable medical conditions.

 

I requested that the state define residence in a hospice as a medical condition.

 

They let people die for more than two years.

[Estimated Prophet]

Research scientists spend their time studying whatever has the largest profit potential.

Male impotence and weight loss drugs are never underfunded. Cancer, not a huge priority, unless its a new way to prolong treatment.

People healing themselves with cannabis will never generate the kind of high margin revenue that would garner commercial support, so field experience is all we have. Administer simpson oil in systematic doses and get some physicians on board to monitor progress + develop recordable metrics with control groups etc.

Like MrD said, how could they deny positive medical progress? They cant. It's their moral obligation as doctors.

The whole beurocracy of academic journals and peer review has been perverted by big pharma dollars. It doesnt work anymore.

I respect PB's vision on this.

[Herb Cannabis]

PB, I don't know you, but I love you. Keep up the good fight.

[peanutbutter]

I got a phone call yesterday.

 

A woman told me about the latest visit to her cancer specialist.

 

The cancer specialist started to cry. With tears rolling down his face, he told her how sorry he was.

 

The cancer specialist said he was sorry for ever trying to talk her out of cannabinoid therapy. He said he was positive it could never possibly work.

 

But now he knows he was wrong. Cannabinoids can indeed make a difference.

[PunkinChunkin]

I got a phone call yesterday.

 

A woman told me about the latest visit to her cancer specialist.

 

The cancer specialist started to cry. With tears rolling down his face, he told her how sorry he was.

 

The cancer specialist said he was sorry for ever trying to talk her out of cannabinoid therapy. He said he was positive it could never possibly work.

 

But now he knows he was wrong. Cannabinoids can indeed make a difference.

If she was seeing a cancer specialist I assume she was being treated by him? If being treated why would the specialist assume that it was the cannabis that helped her and not the traditional therapy? That doesn't really make a lot of sense so you should be wary of what the woman told you.

[PunkinChunkin]

I am not sure if hospices are the ideal place to find out if cannabis cures cancer.

I've dealt with hospic many times since the early 70's when family has been in there. The problem with hospice is that it is considered end of life care and they don't treat conditions they only make you comfortable there. So if you have endstage cancer their gonna give you pain killers and stuff but they aren't treating the cancer. So at that point insurance is picking up the tab for that kind of treatment and I don't think hospice even allows treatment unless you opt out of it. That's basically what I was told a few years ago when I had a close family member in hospice. They said you can opt out of hospice at any time and go back to treatments but you can't be treated and be in hospice at the same time.

[peanutbutter]

If she was seeing a cancer specialist I assume she was being treated by him? If being treated why would the specialist assume that it was the cannabis that helped her and not the traditional therapy? That doesn't really make a lot of sense so you should be wary of what the woman told you.

 

They refused to treat her if she was working with cannabis.

 

The only thing they agreed to do was a monthly blood test. My guess is that they hoped to catch her as she failed.

[peanutbutter]

I've dealt with hospic many times since the early 70's when family has been in there. The problem with hospice is that it is considered end of life care and they don't treat conditions they only make you comfortable there. So if you have endstage cancer their gonna give you pain killers and stuff but they aren't treating the cancer. So at that point insurance is picking up the tab for that kind of treatment and I don't think hospice even allows treatment unless you opt out of it. That's basically what I was told a few years ago when I had a close family member in hospice. They said you can opt out of hospice at any time and go back to treatments but you can't be treated and be in hospice at the same time.

 

We're past that. There ARE locations that are willing.

[Iceman081]

Chuckle .. a little late.

 

I am the single person with the most field experience, that is even remotely connected with medicine, in this state.

 

There are more than a few that are looking forward to the field report. I'm being offered to be written up in medical journals.

 

I have a three year head start on them.

 

If I can keep ANY of these people alive .. I simply MUST try.

 

PB this is awesome if you can pull it off brother, any help you need don't hesitate to ask my friend.

[Robman]

i like the idea bro u never cease to amaze me all the effort you put into helping people, i envy what you do, keep up the good work brother.

 

Rob

[CleanD]

I'm curious about the scedule 1 status and how they would legally address distributing it? It does place programs, esp those w federal and state funding incl medicare, in a precarious position. But, in the face of end stage cancer... Its hard to do nothing, I get that too. Tough spot for those in the position of dispensing the oil.

 

That said, there should be a way to ensure purity of the concentrate as passing oils that also contain adulterants such as fungicides, pesticides, or solvents, could potentially be worse for the patients on trial. This is quite the logistical issue, esp on the scale u are discussing. I would think some pro bono lawyern would be of desire as well.

 

I'v been in CO and there has been much discussion of finding high cbd strains and isolating for such projects...finding the 'best' medicinal profiles w tons of testing...this is going to require quite the operation. We need to move in this direction, I agree. Just very difficult w the laws.

 

I wouldn't b surprised if the pharma companies have already tested and are keeping the findings 'proprietary'...as it would also b admitting to criminal action in violating sched 1 status and research...and that the findings showed amazing results that would wipe out half of their revenues from the other drugs. Scary, but wouldn't surprise me...hence the continuation of mmj prohibition.

[CedarSpringsCG]

A resident of a hospice is not a medical condition. It is a state of being, but not a medical condition.

 

PB, i love your passion for this, however you have always been on that reckless side, and I think this is reckless as well. Like when you wanted to start handing out cannabis infused oil to non patients in Lansing. Regardless of your argument that it was less than 1% THC, the news would have spun it to a drug dealer handing out cannabis to secretaries. Simple fact is, that there is cannabis in the oil.

 

I'd recommend, and this is just my opinion, doing this in a different way. Get a real Dr on board with you, choose a patient with untreatable cancer, and have a doctor document the treatment from beginning to end. Maybe 5, or 10, or 50 patients, but have a doctor documenting it. But to start with "Every person in Hospice in the state" is kinda asking for trouble. Heck, they can't stop regular perscriptions from walking out of Hospices, how are they going to stop the MMJ? Of course you have hospice workers saying heck yes, they want their hands on this.

 

How are you going to make sure that the meds go to the patients and not the workers? The state can't keep the morphine and worse from going home with workers. I personally believe we would end up with no real information and Schuette and Snyder would use it to "prove" cannabis is not medicine.

 

Anyway, good luck, hope you get what your working for.

 

Cedar

[peanutbutter]

A resident of a hospice is not a medical condition. It is a state of being, but not a medical condition.

 

PB, i love your passion for this, however you have always been on that reckless side, and I think this is reckless as well. Like when you wanted to start handing out cannabis infused oil to non patients in Lansing. Regardless of your argument that it was less than 1% THC, the news would have spun it to a drug dealer handing out cannabis to secretaries. Simple fact is, that there is cannabis in the oil.

 

I recommend reviewing the information about hemp and hempseed foods.

Hemp is classified as something that has less than 0.3% THC. And such things are not covered under the federal or state CSA.

http://www.votehemp.com/PR/2-6-04_9thCir_grants.html

 

I'd recommend, and this is just my opinion, doing this in a different way. Get a real Dr on board with you, choose a patient with untreatable cancer, and have a doctor document the treatment from beginning to end. Maybe 5, or 10, or 50 patients, but have a doctor documenting it.

 

Yep .. that's what the doctors thought also. Which is why THEY ASKED ME to do it.

 

How are you going to make sure that the meds go to the patients and not the workers? The state can't keep the morphine and worse from going home with workers. I personally believe we would end up with no real information and Schuette and Snyder would use it to "prove" cannabis is not medicine.

 

WOW .. they might walk home with cannabis instead of morphine?

 

Heck .. that could lead to more dangerous stuff .. like .. like .. like .. must be something..

[The Digital Nomad]

make sure you write some of this stuff down will ya?

 

DN

[Budz-4-U]

I wish the State would allow at least one Canna Market per County.

 

A place to go when Caregivers and Patients are between grows.

 

Patients wanting to try new strains. Caregivers obtaining for their Patients, when they come up short.

 

State could charge 6% sales tax on all transactions of meds, clones, or seeds.

 

But, I guess I don't live in a perfect world.

 

Sad thing is how easy it is to obtain various forms of highly addictive, and deadly, opiates. Just saying.

[CedarSpringsCG]

I recommend reviewing the information about hemp and hempseed foods.

Hemp is classified as something that has less than 0.3% THC. And such things are not covered under the federal or state CSA.

http://www.votehemp.com/PR/2-6-04_9thCir_grants.html

 

I have, yet they still do not allow it to be produced here, only imported... Producing it here requires the use of a Schedule 1 plant, which is illegal. They are covered under Federal and State CSA, all imported because you can't grow a hemp plant, even at less than .3% THC... Maybe you should do some reviewing.

 

 

WOW .. they might walk home with cannabis instead of morphine?

 

Heck .. that could lead to more dangerous stuff .. like .. like .. like .. must be something..

 

 

Simple fact is the government considers MJ a dangerous, highly addictive substance. So, you have to realize that you aren't dealing with truth, you are dealing with perception in the Governments eyes. So, while our state does allow some people to ease their suffering with MJ, they still consider it more dangerous than morphine.

 

Because of that, the government will say that it has to be handled in such a way that is safer than Morphine. So, a locked cabinet isn't enough, as that isn't enough as the lower classified morphine. You would have to have trained staff administer it, you would have to have logs of quantities on hand, and how much was administered to who, you would have to make sure it wasn't available to people who shouldn't have it, you would have to have training for the staff to know what to do in case of overdose (turn off the lights and let them sleep...). You would have to treat it seriously to have any chance at success. Otherwise BS will just use it as an example of how careless we are and why it should all be illegal.

 

Instead of making rude sarcastic remarks, maybe you should take what people say and think about it a little bit. I am not saying you shouldn't do this, I am saying you should be responsible about it and think it through before you give the enemy more ammunition to fight us.

[peanutbutter]

I have, yet they still do not allow it to be produced here, only imported... Producing it here requires the use of a Schedule 1 plant, which is illegal. They are covered under Federal and State CSA, all imported because you can't grow a hemp plant, even at less than .3% THC... Maybe you should do some reviewing.

 

Use and distribution of hemp seed oil is legal. It has traces of THC in it.

 

No one gets high from it.

 

No one is getting high from my topical oil.

 

Yes. Production is a problem. It would have to be done by someone with a license to handle marijuana for medical purposes.