What Type Of Access Do Patients Want?

[OG Fire Beaster]

You two are deluded. I have no boss. I am me. You don't like what I have to say so you attack me by associating me with some fictitious entity. You think you strengthen your position by lumping anyone or thing that likes dispensaries as some secret colluding group. It is sad.

[+Malamute]

I think we know that commercial advocates have regularly undermined the validity of the Caregiver and the caregiver system(the law). I do hope we don;t need to rehash this at this very moment that it is true.

 

Now,... if i were to ask,.. nicely, say the lobbyist, or legislative liason or leaders of NPRA to stop saying that caregivers are "not safe", dangerous, incompetent or street dealers,... nor that a caregiver selling marijuana in their house is dangerous for communities, or that cannabis is dangerous in general and such; do you think they would agree that they shouldnt be doing that and putting those kinda quotes in the media and filling legislators ears with nonsense?

 

That is a question to everyone and directly to those that are not seeing the tree through the forest. If I asked them to please stop saying that having caregivers make compensated transfers to their 5 patients in their neighbourhood is dangerous, or that caregivers are dangerous to old ladies, or that they(cg's) are incompetent, or street dealers or this type of thing;,,, what do you think they would say to me?

 

 

SImple question.... will they stop demagoguing caregivers?

 

What will they say?

 

Still wondering if they are willing to stop demagoguing caregivers?

 

And i am serious.

 

Would everyone still support these people if they refused to stop saying those things? Saying that marijuana is dangerous and a caregiver transferring to their patients in their home is dangerous, or that caregivers are street dealers(which dispensaries ACTUALLY are).

 

Would you still support them if they continued demagoguing caregivers and marijuana transfers even if asked nicely to stop?

[cristinew]

if people really want to use the dispensary system feel free to move to New Jersey,, and let us know how it is

[OG Fire Beaster]

if people really want to use the dispensary system feel free to move to New Jersey,, and let us know how it is

 

No. I will feel free to work to make dispensaries a reality in Michigan though.

[+Malamute]

OG, how do you feel about my previous question there?

 

Stopping the demagoguing of caregivers in their propaganda?

[SFC]

He always dodges the questions that don't fit in the playbook.

 

And you are welcome to call us deluded. Yet we keep producing facts, we keep producing your own sides words, we keep on paying attention. Nothing deluded here Jack..

Edited February 21, 2013 by SFC

[OG Fire Beaster]

Mal

Ive said before I do not approve of the attacks on Cgs and Pts. I believe that they can exist together perfectly. I am a Pt first, then a Cg. I don't subscribe to the fantastic attacks on either group. I am also pro dispensary.

[OG Fire Beaster]

SFC

 

You are worthless to this discussion. I do find your posts funny though.

[cristinew]

make dispensaries a reality in Michigan though.

 

why,, how about farmers markers at least they are better on prices ,,

[OG Fire Beaster]

Why not both? Then people could have more choice.

 

I like farmers markets as well. I like compassion clubs too. I just want people to be able to decide how and what they do. I know some communities wont allow that. Some will. There are a lot of MM and Pt/Cg friendly cities.

 

Just because I like dispensaries does not mean I dislike the other methods.

Edited February 21, 2013 by OG Fire Beaster

[Restorium2]

SFC

 

You are worthless to this discussion. I do find your posts funny though.

What discussion? You just keep throwing the same old spagetti at the wall and none of it sticks. Over and over, the same three falsehoods;

 

1) This bill doesn't regulate caregivers in municipalities FALSE

2) The current law is worthless because it doesn't help very many patients. FALSE

3) Dispensaries will not be aiming at totally supplying themselves. FALSE

 

Anything new yet?

[Restorium2]

Why not both?

I already explained it to you;

 

There will not be two different sets of regulations in Michigan. Everyone who grows for someone else will be regulated. It may even go as far as inspections of patient grows too.

 

How long will you wait to ask this same question again?

[OG Fire Beaster]

Rest

 

 

What discussion? You just keep throwing the same old spagetti at the wall and none of it sticks. Over and over, the same three falsehoods;

 

1) This bill doesn't regulate caregivers in municipalities FALSE

2) The current law is worthless because it doesn't help very many patients. FALSE

3) Dispensaries will not be aiming at totally supplying themselves. FALSE

 

Anything new yet?

 

If you cant prove numbers 1 and 2 then please stop lying rest. Your blanket statements of fact are not certain.

Edited February 21, 2013 by OG Fire Beaster

[Restorium2]

I almost forgot the one where you said that the MMMA trumps everything so don't concern yourself about what we have cooking.

 

Which was countered by the fact that it takes time to prove these things in court before they get reversed.

[OG Fire Beaster]

Listen up again;

The MMMA doesn't trump anything until you prove it does. You need to let that sink in before you post about it again. It's the truth. Just stop going over the same old ground. We have shot that down already.

Nothing wrong with pushing for things you want. But if you bring half truths and lies to do it you will have all respect lost quickly. You are there. You are lying for money.

[Restorium2]

Rest

 

 

 

 

If you cant prove numbers 1 and 2 then please stop lying rest. Your blanket statements of fact are not certain.

1) It will regulate a caregiver in any municipality that wants to. Proven.

2) The current law is helping a lot of patients. That's a given. You can mince numbers of how many. The number is HUGE no matter how you mince us up.

[OG Fire Beaster]

The MMMA supersedes 4271 per the language of the MMMA and 4271. That is what I believe. I can not control what other people do though. What you are saying is that if someone else does something illegal or contrary to the act, until it goes all the way to the supreme court it is ok. You know that is garbage.

[OG Fire Beaster]

Here someone with views that are similar to yours on this issue said this.

 

Any local prohibition of caregiving, or for that matter legitimate medical use, on the part of local communities is unenforceable. The law protects us from any arrest or penalty for engaging, anywhere and anytime, except as specified in section 7.

 

 

 

Please show me the proof of number 1. Maybe I am completely wrong and not realizing it. Just because a city someplace did something does not mean they are following the act. I do not believe that this language makes every Cg a commercial entity. I do not believe that cities are following the law when they make a regulation that violates the MMMA.

[cristinew]

You should not Open this act With Rick Jones in Office ,,,,, very dangerous idea

[OG Fire Beaster]

Who is to say that his replacement wont be worse? I say expose him for what he is. Make him play his hand or fold. I choose not to fold.

[cristinew]

where i live there was never a dispensary within 60 miles... and we all seemed to do just fine,

[OG Fire Beaster]

I do just fine without them as well. I would like to have the option though and can see the benefit that they provide to many people. The way I feel is that if you don't like them then don't go to them. I just dont understand the attacks and all or nothing mentality. Any bill that would allow for a PC would also allow for a farmers market or a compassion club. Its about options and choice. Even if I only ever went to the PC once a year I still believe we should have the option too. There is no reason why a group could not form a compassion club under the banner of a PC and give meds for free to needy patients. The essential actions of the two are the same. If a PC may harvest why cant a PC form that has volunteer gardeners and harvests meds for poor, sick, and needy patients? A non-profit. In the same sense another PC could form that specializes in exotics and high-end that people pay for.

 

I am tired of being lumped in with the narrow minded view that if you support laws that will allow more distribution and access that you are evil big buisness out to take away form others.

 

I do not agree with the view that if any place is allowed to sell or give away marijuana that it atomically guarantees that Pts and Cgs will loose their rights. I guess that is where the big disagreement is and where all the hypothetical arguments against it come from. I am an optimist not a pessimist.

Edited February 22, 2013 by OG Fire Beaster

[Restorium2]

It's too bad we don't have law makers with a mind to do us some good or you could get all of what you want. But if 350,000 of us have to be regulated for your pipe dream then it's FAIL. This bill is a mess and would send us backwards.

[+Malamute]

Right bill? Right Place? Right time? Right people?

 

Unforeseen circumstances and unintended consequences.

 

Track records?

 

Legislative intent?

 

Competing interests?

 

You have to add those and many other items into the mix when deciding a position on this.

 

This isnt about... " Me wantem dispensaries"..." me no wantem dispensaries".

 

This is a much more intricate discussion with all sorts of avenues.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Malamute

[OG Fire Beaster]

That is true.

 

Mal

Rest

GregS

SFC

Purp

 

Much respect to you guys(people) and I hope that nothing ever happens to take away from what we are able to do.