bobandtorey Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 LANSING, MI -- If online commenters are any indicator, there is a growing wave of support for decriminalizing or even legalizing marijuana. Readers responded strongly to an opinion column posted over the weekend as well as an online database that shows county-by-county data on marijuana related arrests in 2012. (The database can be accessed at the bottom of this post.) Decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana is a hot topic nationwide. Marijuana is now legal in Colorado and Washington state, and Michigan cities including Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids, Lansing, Flint, Ypsilanti, Jackson and Ferndale has decriminalized marijuana in the past two years. A majority of the commenters offered their support for decriminalizing or legalizing the drug. Wrote a commenter with the handle Free Gun Locks for Sale: "Wasted days and wasted nights. When will the American bigots realize this drug is a cash cow for the police. How aboot a follow up story on how much marijuana was confiscated and how all the arrested possessions were confiscated." "'Is enforcing marijuana laws a good use of public resources?' No," posted mrkersey. Brian Kelly Bizzle argues that legalizing pot would help keep it away from children: "It doesn't take the intellect of a genius to understand that stores card kids for I.D.. Thugs and gang members do not. They also push the real hard drugs on children. Stores do not. Marijuana legalization will make it harder for children to obtain it." Joey82 described himself as "a lifelong conservative," but said: "You cannot have invalid laws in a just society. You cannot make a medical/nontoxic/nonaddictive herb illegal while allowing people to drink alcohol, smoke cigs, eat fast food, pop over the counter pills, or consume any of the hundreds of other legal substances that are far more harmful than marijuana. That makes a mockery out of justice." Retorted jeremy: "You want the educational achievement gap to widen? Legalize Marijuana." Added laffatlibs: "Geeze Louise --- the dopesters are out in force attempting to rationalize through their smokey haze why dope is good and clear minds are bad. ... The reason it's called 'DOPE' is because it was named after the people who use it." http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/02/take_our_poll_should_michigan.html#incart_river_default Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) This part is VERY important to know;From the national model;Legalization equals;$75,000 to buy a license to grow.$75 an 1/8 ounce for users.Decriminalization, where everyone can grow and use the plant for whatever they want is a total different thing and needs to be distinguished separately from fake legalization. Edited February 11, 2014 by Restorium2 imiubu, Hydraulic Jack and Wild Bill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregS Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 In principle I agree, and think it best to give Colorado and Washinton a little time to display results before any serious move here. I'm pretty confident things will go well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shishka Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Mlive poll currently sitting at 76% yes, 17% no with the remainder voting for decriminalization. It may take awhile to get it right but the reasons for people wanting to "legalize" is to keep folks out of jail and the court system, whether it be for economic or personal liberty reasons. If folks are still getting arrested for illegal home grows after "legalization" then the people will demand change and decriminalization. May take a few wasted years but I'm confident we'll get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrokk Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Legalize.............. Enough is enough................. The 75,000 dollar license to grow is if you are selling the marijuana it does not pertain to home growers for personal use........... Edited to add that besides that is Colorado and Michigan are different states. Edited February 11, 2014 by ozzrokk michaelscott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imiubu Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 legalization means taxation and regulation. decriminalization will remove all criminal elements... i prefer the later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Legalize.............. Enough is enough................. The 75,000 dollar license to grow is if you are selling the marijuana it does not pertain to home growers for personal use........... Edited to add that besides that is Colorado and Michigan are different states. The max you can grow in Denver is 6 plants PER HOUSE unless you buy the $75,000 grow license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Mlive poll currently sitting at 76% yes, 17% no with the remainder voting for decriminalization. It may take awhile to get it right but the reasons for people wanting to "legalize" is to keep folks out of jail and the court system, whether it be for economic or personal liberty reasons. If folks are still getting arrested for illegal home grows after "legalization" then the people will demand change and decriminalization. May take a few wasted years but I'm confident we'll get there. The penalties are worse in legalization than decriminalization. So if you really want to keep folks out of prison then you would want decrim. That's what decriminalization means, as opposed to making money is what legalization means in it's American form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrokk Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 If decriminalization would be honored then I could go for that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrokk Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 In fact I guess I could say the same about legalization. I dont trust Michigan to honor any of it. bobandtorey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 If decriminalization would be honored then I could go for that as well.Once you know the real definition of the two things as they appear to us today then most all of us will agree that decrim is what we want. I would be very careful of anyone who knows the definition and leans toward legalization. Usually it's just a misunderstanding of what the two things are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shishka Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 The penalties are worse in legalization than decriminalization. So if you really want to keep folks out of prison then you would want decrim. That's what decriminalization means, as opposed to making money is what legalization means in it's American form. Oh I agree, it's just that the general public doesn't get it. That is why I think we'll waste a few years playing with legalizing and eventually the public won't buy it anymore. If folks are getting arrested then we did not accomplish what we thought we were going to accomplish. I have faith in the younger generations to see thru the bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 You could get the word out on the internet and in your everyday life. Pushing legalization would be just furthering the bad info out there. I have faith that we can get the truth out there. I have faith in all generations doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-pain Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 decrim is usually for posession, i havent seen a decrim bill that included manufacturing. could you point me to a complete decriminalization bill somewhere in some state ? bobandtorey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 In fact I guess I could say the same about legalization. I dont trust Michigan to honor any of it. Look at how well they've implemented the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrokk Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Look at how well they've implemented the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act. BINGO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibrains Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 i vote for both... legalization and decriminalization right on top of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandtorey Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 This part is VERY important to know; From the national model; Legalization equals; $75,000 to buy a license to grow. $75 an 1/8 ounce for users. Decriminalization, where everyone can grow and use the plant for whatever they want is a total different thing and needs to be distinguished separately from fake legalization. Thanks IMHO i don't know of any Decrim Laws that you also have home grow rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandtorey Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 In fact I guess I could say the same about legalization. I dont trust Michigan to honor any of it. And i also agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandtorey Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Once you know the real definition of the two things as they appear to us today then most all of us will agree that decrim is what we want. I would be very careful of anyone who knows the definition and leans toward legalization. Usually it's just a misunderstanding of what the two things are. Thanks again most do know the meaning it's the other side that hasn't got a Disarray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandtorey Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 decrim is usually for posession, i havent seen a decrim bill that included manufacturing. could you point me to a complete decriminalization bill somewhere in some state ? Funny before reading your post i said the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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