Pain Pill Reductions With Mmj

[ToadInCan]

I was taking 25mg of codeine daily, along with flexorol and zanax and ibuprophin. Spine's a mess, from cervical stenosis to herniated L5/S1 to broken coccyx (yep... i broke my coccyx!). I'm thinking nine surgeries on my hands/wrists/ elbows, and regular steroid injections in my shoulders. Oh yah, there's aways acetaminophen mixed in with the vicodin. Mine were 10-325. It's kind of ironic, but now I only take prescription meds when I have to be out in the world. It seems sad that the world accepts us on opiates, yet not quite on MMJ. I'm still extremely sensitive to the quality of meds which I've learned to grow. Few have left me only pain free. But I'm still studying things, and learning a lot. Thanks for doing the work on this jinx!

[blueberry420]

hi all have been a member for a min dont say much just like to read. but this one comes close to me i hurt my back about 9 years ago real bad and to the doc i went i started off with 5 10/650 of perks a day on top of all the muscle relaxers and xanes you could think of. That lasted a little bit but not long so i went back in for a re check and came out with 120 10/650 perks and 120 8mg dilaudid on top of the little stuff. that lasted a little bit to but by this time i was very adt to them and was takeing them all with in 12 to 15 days and really did not much for the pain. then it was the 120 perks 120 8mg dilaudid and 120 forget what mg methadone but they were big i have by this time have ran out and withdr about 4 times. and very bad sick but by the end of my 8 years of death i was on 120 80mg oxycott, a box of fentanyl patches 150 8mg dilaudid ontop of buying more fentanyl patches from a buddy that i would cut into strips and eat like gum i was very bad i fin ended up od and rushed to u of m where the DR just looked at me when i came to none of them have ever seen a tox level that i had when they found out what i took on a normel day they told me i took eng to kill 15 norm people i went from their to home took my last painkills and the wife took me to Brighton hosp where i got very sick for a day and onto suboxone i went. That was almost 3 years ago i have not took a painkill in a long time i am still on the suboxone 8mg 3 times a day and vapping has helped my back pain but my new subox dr test me so i can not vap anymore or i wont get my suboxone and if that happens it wont be a good thing i have all most ended up under the ground a good 8 times from coming off of the junk dont think my body could take one more of them. i just want to say to all of you who have got off the junk because of mmj good for you i am so glad to here that and to anyone new to this and is just starting to take painkills DONT DO IT, IT WILL TAKE YOUR LIFE AND PUT IT IN A CHOCKHOLD AND WILL NEVER LET GO. it took so many years of my life that i can never get back from my wife and kids that i just dont rember alot of it. it really will take everthing you have and then some. PLEASE if you are just starting the painkills and think i will just do them for a min and get off you wont by that time they have you and they are not going to give you back without a fight. put them in the trash and get some good old green meds.

[Croppled1]

hi all have been a member for a min dont say much just like to read. but this one comes close to me i hurt my back about 9 years ago real bad and to the doc i went i started off with 5 10/650 of i am still on the suboxone 8mg 3 times a day and vapping has helped my back pain but my new subox dr test me so i can not vap anymore or i wont get my suboxone and if that happens it wont be a good thing PLEASE if you are just starting the painkills and think i will just do them for a min and get off you wont by that time they have you and they are not going to give you back without a fight. put them in the trash and get some good old green meds.

 

This topic means allot to me also . Your story belongs here and in the thread linked below too . Nobody should be abused by having medications pulled for being on the program nor should they be used to manipulate or punish patients Doctors or others in authority positions do not like . Once you have been on a dependent med for over a year nobody should be able to take you off against your will unless your life is in jeopardy . People cannot imagine how traumatic that fear of withdrawls is and how futile for pain patients who succumb to suicide at a 1/7 ratio and have divorce or lost relationship rates well over 50% . It is dangerous and if your not ready a waste - pure torture . Everyone dropped should be mandated by law to be titrated down in a comfortable low steop manner over as long a time as they require per their reports - comfort being number 1 . If one is not comfortable they just create a drug seeker out of a patient . Most people cannot imagine the pain - severe chronic pain patients never recover from . In the majority of cases it just has to be treated thats why they have been declared pain patients .There are behaviors professionals can see even if they can't feel the pain themselves . How dosing and medications became so restricted to patients because others use them improperly is a serious concern . Patients should not be paying a price for this . .

 

I know from experience communicating with others that withdrawls is different for everyone , requires blood tests to make sure imbalances have not occurred and been covered up by the pain relief or just taken things down a improper path . I have to go real slow on medication changes due to muscle spasm issues( opiates are salts that change cell water balance problems you cant just quit safely ) that cause impaired breathing and blood pressure issues outside parameters of what most people experience . I am totally out of it . It is pure torture without cannabis and a long titration down

 

. Cannabis really helps many patients whom are vulnerable it makes no sense to take away something so beneficial to opiate users .It is a wonderful irraplaceable tool that can mean the difference between life and death for some yet others do not benefit . It can help you quit if thats what you want . But many of us are so injured we have to have the best pain control which sadly are opiate based meds- cannabis alone wont cut it and there isn't a dependable supply thats inexpensive enough yet . We are blessed that cannabis with opiates results in us being able to take less opiate thus reducing the risk of harm and toxicity ( hyperalgesia ) . Plus when toxicity raises its head along with tolerance cannabis will help us wean until it works again in a supportive enviroment where our basic needs are met .

 

. Suboxone is a very long acting opiate and very hard to get off after a long time on it . Shame on them for putting you on it then threatening you . Almost all of what is called addiction in pain patients is just people not able to slow down due to responsabillities and loosing control . Your ok just a normal guy in a bad spot who lost control . With family you couldn't slow down enough to take care of yourself . Only you can do that the pain nor the problem isnt going away because they restrict what you require but made a mistake in managing . Its ok every day is a opertunity for a new start It sounds like cannabis helps you so your pain doesn't result in opiate fluctuations in use which could kill you . It is so sad they would not see this and harm you . It sounds like you were recovering to me .

 

. Someday regulators need to help us with protections from improper care and hurt at others whims . We do also need better support and help when things go wrong . It doesnt take more money just more effective spending . Most spine patients benefit from aquatic therapy . I so wish we had compassion centers where we could medicate so we felt well enough to socialize , and pass knowledge to each other . I often wear out before I can even explain things here properly . But I care just like you do were really in catch 22's . How society is treating us is part of the problem a very big part . God Bless and Happy Hollidays . Don't give up I will pray you find a good Doctor that really cares before your injured by this one ... - the books can't teach the human factor nor how to properly apply law for the benefit intended - compassion .

 

 

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Edited December 19, 2011 by Croppled1

[BigDaddyc9]

I am a chronic pain patient from New York State who was attempting to see if anyone on the dosages close to mine were sucsessful in reducing their amounts of pain meds.I have Fibromyalgia x Myofascil Pain Syndrome x Chronic Fatigue and degenerative joint disease and an insulin dependant diabetic with major nueropathy.I am currently prescribed through Pain Specialist 480mg of Oxycontin daily at 240 mg am 240mg pm via 80mg tablets.I was 1st on Fentanyl Patches and then Avinza morphine.I also use 180mg Roxicodone daily for "breakthrough" pain.I use Levemir insulin and Humalog.I am prescribed Marinol and Zoran bilinguals for cyclic vomting.I also have IM Zofran if needed.I also augment with cannabis and med quality at that but not in EARNEST..if I could use cannabis w/o repercussions I could say bye bye to opiates.My wife's insurance company would save thousands.I lost my Mom to lung cancer 2 years ago and she wouldn't do RSO.Now my Dad has stage 1 kidney cancer and wants to do RSO.For anyone who has made RSO before is it that difficult.

? I want to save my Dad and he is willing to use it.Currently using Platinum Jack Herer and Jorges Diamonds and Super lemon Haze for meds.I'd kill to find a couchlock indica.Im high strung so on the couch with slits for eyes and a huge SEG I'd give my Kingdom for.Thanks for listening.Reason for huge oxy dose is number of years on opiate therapy and my size 6ft 4 inches 285lbs.Peace and One Love  BigD cooler than a mentholated snowball!

[t-pain]

theres a youtube video for making RSO, step by step.

its here:

 

 

make sure you ventilate, dont blow your azz up!

Edited September 22, 2013 by t-pain

[Celliach]

Please stop calling it RSO.  This method was used for a thousand years before Rick Simpson was born.  It's hash oil.  Lets call it what it is instead of naming it after some person that happened to make a youtube video naming it after himself.

[Wild Bill]

During my last stint in the hospital they had me on oxycodone, dilaudid, fentanyl, atavan, xanax, restoril and morphine.

After a month and a half it got so bad that I started to hallucinate.

 

I finally refused everything but a morphine pump. They left a fentanyl patch on me but I wasn't aware of it (I wasn't actually aware of much of anything). When I realized it was still there I had that stopped too.

 

The really odd thing is that I wasn't in a great deal of pain, even after stopping the narcotics. It makes me wonder if the plan all along was to make me dependant on the opioids.

 

When I finally got home it took me awhile to get the dosages right but now I use nothing but cannabis and occaisionally some ibuprofen or naprosyn.

 

I concur on the RSO designation. I don't even think Simpson's method is particularly sound.

Too high a risk of fire or explosion. Especially since it seems to be novices who look to him for guidance.

 

It reminds me of the jungle cocaine labs in Columbia.

Edited September 22, 2013 by Wild Bill

[cristinew]

call it dried leaves and flowers  oil 

[Celliach]

call it dried leaves and flowers  oil 

 

That's awesome!  lololol  Thanks for my morning laugh.  Unfortunately, it's only too true.

[phaquetoo]

I don't remember much of January after my accident. I was on 750mg of Vicodin every 4 hours, plus a couple of Flexiril per day. Ibuprofen was added to the mix as well. I couldn't get anything done, had very little short term memory, and eventually the Flexiril started messing with my eyesight. Friends were growing concerned and advising me to be careful with the Vicodin.

 

In February I knew I needed to do something to change the path I was on. I began weening myself off the Flexiril and cut back on the Vicodin, and increased my Ibuprofen intake to try and deal with the pain. I got off the Flexiril, and cut my Vicodin usage in half.

 

In March a concerned friend provided me with some MMJ. I noticed a pleasant decrease in how my pain was affecting me. So I cut back on both my Vicodin and Ibuprofen use. By April I was down to 375 mg of Vicodin 2-3 times a day. I also cut back my Ibuprofen usage.

 

This progress continued until present day. I haven't taken a Vicodin in days. I take 3-4 Ibuprofen or Tylenol in the morn. I medicate with MMJ 3-4 times a day. I'm walking 1.5 - 2.25 miles per day now, whereas before I could hardly get out of bed.

 

Unless I do something stupid, or have an accident, this is how my life is these days. If I have a mishap, then I might grab 375mg of Vicodin to get the pain under control, but I no longer regularly dose with this addictive drug.

 

MMJ has made my life a lot more normal, and keeps me from having to take addictive drugs to get relief.

Im so glad to hear you are off of most of your meds, you say a few things I think you may be confused on, when you say your down to taking a 325 vicoden, it must be a 10/325 the 325 is how much acetametaphine is in them and the 10 is how much hydro codone (opoid) and for vicoden them are the strongest as far as the opoid goes, like if your dr. gives you what you call a 750 vicoden, you are getting a 7.5/750 vicoden the 2nd highest dose, a 10/1000 is a vicoden hp, a 10/500 is a loritab, they have different amounts of acetametaphine in them becuase it is not good for your stomach, and motrins are even worse, it says you should only take ibuprofen for a few wks at a time and stop and see your dr. if the issue does not stop, as far as flexirils they hit every one different, they are a muscle relaxer, I can thake them in the day time but not at night, they give me restless legs like mad at nite, others I know cant take them in the day time becuase of the same reason as you, it makes them very tired.

 

so in closing remember there is a number on your vicoden, loratabs, norco's they are all the same, and they all have the following type of dosages, 5/500 almost like a tylenol 3 but has opoids not codine, 7.5/750,,,,,10/500...10/325,,,10/1000 and they also have vicoprophen ive only had the 7.5/200 it has 200 mg of motrin instead of acetametaphine,

 

wow I wish I didnt know all of this shtuff, shall we talk about fetynal patches? lol

 

Best wishes and way to go on cutting down on the meds either way!

 

Peace

[phaquetoo]

Please stop calling it RSO.  This method was used for a thousand years before Rick Simpson was born.  It's hash oil.  Lets call it what it is instead of naming it after some person that happened to make a youtube video naming it after himself.

no no no no  what i make is phaq oil!

 

 

 

Peace

[t-pain]

Barack Hussien Oil has a better ring to it.

 

Regular Sensimiilla Oil?

 

whats the 1920s pharmacopia call it? just cannabis oil? or cannabis tincture?

Edited September 23, 2013 by t-pain

[imiubu]

Please stop calling it RSO.  This method was used for a thousand years before Rick Simpson was born.  It's hash oil.  Lets call it what it is instead of naming it after some person that happened to make a youtube video naming it after himself.

 

 

During my last stint in the hospital they had me on oxycodone, dilaudid, fentanyl, atavan, xanax, restoril and morphine.

After a month and a half it got so bad that I started to hallucinate.

 

I finally refused everything but a morphine pump. They left a fentanyl patch on me but I wasn't aware of it (I wasn't actually aware of much of anything). When I realized it was still there I had that stopped too.

 

The really odd thing is that I wasn't in a great deal of pain, even after stopping the narcotics. It makes me wonder if the plan all along was to make me dependant on the opioids.

 

When I finally got home it took me awhile to get the dosages right but now I use nothing but cannabis and occaisionally some ibuprofen or naprosyn.

 

I concur on the RSO designation. I don't even think Simpson's method is particularly sound.

Too high a risk of fire or explosion. Especially since it seems to be novices who look to him for guidance.

 

It reminds me of the jungle cocaine labs in Columbia.

Naptha as a solvent has always concerned me.

We have learned much since those days and have found

much safer solvents, imo.

 

call it dried leaves and flowers  oil 

  DFL Oil   just swap the acronym.

 

That's awesome!  lololol  Thanks for my morning laugh.  Unfortunately, it's only too true.

[Dankthsea]

I am a chronic pain patient from New York State who was attempting to see if anyone on the dosages close to mine were sucsessful in reducing their amounts of pain meds.I have Fibromyalgia x Myofascil Pain Syndrome x Chronic Fatigue and degenerative joint disease and an insulin dependant diabetic with major nueropathy.I am currently prescribed through Pain Specialist 480mg of Oxycontin daily at 240 mg am 240mg pm via 80mg tablets.I was 1st on Fentanyl Patches and then Avinza morphine.I also use 180mg Roxicodone daily for "breakthrough" pain.I use Levemir insulin and Humalog.I am prescribed Marinol and Zoran bilinguals for cyclic vomting.I also have IM Zofran if needed.I also augment with cannabis and med quality at that but not in EARNEST..if I could use cannabis w/o repercussions I could say bye bye to opiates.My wife's insurance company would save thousands.I lost my Mom to lung cancer 2 years ago and she wouldn't do RSO.Now my Dad has stage 1 kidney cancer and wants to do RSO.For anyone who has made RSO before is it that difficult.

? I want to save my Dad and he is willing to use it.Currently using Platinum Jack Herer and Jorges Diamonds and Super lemon Haze for meds.I'd kill to find a couchlock indica.Im high strung so on the couch with slits for eyes and a huge SEG I'd give my Kingdom for.Thanks for listening.Reason for huge oxy dose is number of years on opiate therapy and my size 6ft 4 inches 285lbs.Peace and One Love  BigD cooler than a mentholated snowball!

Most people can do harm reduction strategies. I would need to hear less what you have and take, more of what you feel and are limited by, and also goals for quality of life, infusing what you feel will let me know,and you,what goals are....there is usually Much that can be changed in your regiment, if you pm me we can discuss reductions to address with you md ( maybe some nuerontin too, for nerve pain) to see if they will adjust....maybe even recommend raw juicing as opposed to rso with you, and some other mj meds prn (as needed)

[Dankthsea]

I mean hash oil formerly known as rso, formerly known as hash oil

[Wild Bill]

I mean hash oil formerly known as rso, formerly known as hash oil

 

When it was still in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia it was called Fluid Extract of Cannabis.

 

 

King's American Dispensatory

by Harvey Wickes Felter, M.D., and John Uri Lloyd, Phr. M., Ph. D., 1898.

 

Extractum Cannabis Indicae (U. S. P.)—Extract of Indian Cannabis.

Related entry: Cannabis Indica (U. S. P.)—Indian Cannabis - Extracts and Fluid Extracts

 

SYNONYM: Extract of Indian hemp.

Preparation.—"Indian cannabis, in No. 20 powder, one thousand grammes (1000 Gm.) [2 lbs. av., 3 ozs., 120 grs.]; alcohol, a sufficient quantity. Moisten the powder with three hundred cubic centimeters (300 Cc.) [10 fl, 69] of alcohol, and pack it firmly in a cylindrical percolator; then add enough alcohol to saturate the powder and leave a stratum above it. When the liquid begins to drop from the percolator, close the lower orifice, and, having closely covered the percolator, macerate for 48 hours. Then allow the percolation to proceed, gradually adding alcohol, until the cannabis is exhausted. Distill off the alcohol from the tincture by means of a water-bath, and evaporate the residue in a porcelain capsule, on a water-bath, to a pilular consistence "—(U. S. P.).

 

Description, Medical Uses, and Dosage.—This forms a dark, dull-green extract, having the well-marked odor of hemp resin, is soluble in strong alcohol, ether, chloroform, olive oil, and oil of turpentine, the latter solution depositing minute, scaly crystals on standing; almost wholly soluble in benzol; not affected by alkalies; and with cold nitric acid, sp. gr. 1.38, it is slowly acted on, evolving red fumes, being converted into an orange-red resinoid substance, about as abundant as the resin treated, and which, when washed with water and dried, resemble minute fragments of gamboge (W. Procter, Jr., Proc. Amer. Pharm. Assoc., 1864, pp. 246-7). Much of the drug, cannabis indica, is moldy, partly decayed, and unfit for use. As a. rule, this extract of cannabis is dull in color, and inferior to the extract purified according to the following method, which yields a deep-green, alcohol-soluble preparation. Uses, those of cannabis. Dose, 1/4 grain, increased gradually until its effects are produced. On account of the variability of the preparation, the dose is not definitely established.

 

Related Preparation.—The following is Prof. Procter's method of preparing Purified extract of Indian hemp: EXTRACTUM CANNABIS PURIFICATUM, Extract of Indian hemp, purified.—Take of the green extract of Indian hemp, imported from India, 1 1/2 troy ounces; triturate it thoroughly with alcohol, sp. gr. 0.820, 1 1/2 fluid ounces; and then add to it of the same alcohol, 9 fluid ounces. Let the whole macerate for 36 hours, filter, and, while on the filter, add more alcohol until the extract is thoroughly exhausted. Evaporate the filtrate to dryness in a waterbath, at a temperature not exceeding 65.5° C. (150° F.). The uses are the same as stated under Cannabis. This extract, being purified, and possessing greater uniformity of strength than the ordinary commercial extract, should be administered in somewhat smaller doses. For making chlorodyne, this preparation is to be preferred to the extract made of the herb by the preceding process.

[BigDaddyc9]

I made the medicine for the 1st time today.I used 620$ worth of cannabis..1oz of local homestone called "Creeper" and an ounce of 6 different strains..Platinum Jack Herer,White Russian,Jorges Diamonds,lemon Haze,Excile,and Thia Fantasy.I used 190 proof Everclear.Bought a brand new Rival Rice cooker and a hotplate.I used a whole liter and maybe a few oz of the 2nd bottle of Everclear.I did 3 washes and all 3 were very dark.I put it in Rice cooker and it filled it to level 4 on gradient side.In 45 minutes it had boiled down to just below the 1 line.I used a hand held laser temp gauge and kept the material at 160 degrees farenheit.It boiled and bubble and got sticky.I put it into 2 pyrex measuring cups and set it on hot plate a shade above low on temp dial.Bubbling till it got thick and bubbles popped.I drew it up into syringers and got approx 7 grams of black tar oil that messed me up after eating a small piece of bread I used to get every last drop.I even took a few buds and drew them through leftover oil.My Dad has stage 1 kidney cancer and begins treatment tonight with a small squrt about as big as a grain of rice.It was easy as hell and I wanna make some more. Peace and thank you   BigD

[t-pain]

glad to hear you figured it out.

hope it works for your dad. 

kidney cancer sounds like one of the slow ones.

 

glad you went with the alcohol as a solvent. never use something you cant eat.

 

unfortunately i dont think theres many guides on how to use the oil as a medicine, or how to make it more effective.

start with small doses, move up to 1gram per night. take at night to avoid being too intoxicated during the day?

 

if someone knows of a guide or diary on using oil for cancer, i'd like to read up on it.

maybe there is some info at the phoenixtears site?

[jointedone]

Edited October 16, 2013 by jointedone

[Riverine45]

I would take 8 10mg methadone, 3-4 15mg morphine, anti anxiety pill. Now with a couple cannabis chocolates in morning and couple pipe fulls or a joint or two a day really depends on the day or what I'm doing activitie wise I take 2-4 methadone and two morphines a day. Also before cannabis I would alway run short 3-5 days all the time it was awful now like this month I don't have to refill till 2 days after. I have way more motivation and energy still have noticeable pain in my legs and feet and I know better to what I can and can't do to cause an awful flair up of pain. There is no doubt I feel much better with cannabis then without my dr notices it too.

[Dr. Bob]

I would take 8 10mg methadone, 3-4 15mg morphine, anti anxiety pill. Now with a couple cannabis chocolates in morning and couple pipe fulls or a joint or two a day really depends on the day or what I'm doing activitie wise I take 2-4 methadone and two morphines a day. Also before cannabis I would alway run short 3-5 days all the time it was awful now like this month I don't have to refill till 2 days after. I have way more motivation and energy still have noticeable pain in my legs and feet and I know better to what I can and can't do to cause an awful flair up of pain. There is no doubt I feel much better with cannabis then without my dr notices it too.

That is how you convert doctors to the cause.  Try to cut your use of prescription pain killers in half.  Delay a day or two more between refills every month.  Work off of them as much as possible.  Your doctor will notice a reduction of 30 pills a month more than 2-3 pills a month or a day or two later.

 

Dr. Bob

Edited October 19, 2013 by Dr. Bob

[Zerocool]

From 32 PK for my back as I broke it in 3 spots and was enough to sink a ship, a day down to ZERO now

[phaquetoo]

I would take 8 10mg methadone, 3-4 15mg morphine, anti anxiety pill. Now with a couple cannabis chocolates in morning and couple pipe fulls or a joint or two a day really depends on the day or what I'm doing activitie wise I take 2-4 methadone and two morphines a day. Also before cannabis I would alway run short 3-5 days all the time it was awful now like this month I don't have to refill till 2 days after. I have way more motivation and energy still have noticeable pain in my legs and feet and I know better to what I can and can't do to cause an awful flair up of pain. There is no doubt I feel much better with cannabis then without my dr notices it too.

Methadone 10 mg 4 times a day was my pain med along with 1 mg xanax 4 times a day, I know that I could feel the mm better than any one else when I was using the methadones, I could use mex brick weed and it worked big time for me lol, Im serious, others would say it was junk and id just laugh, now that im not on methadone I see that I need a lot better strain of mm to work for me and the pain, just passing that on. I no longer do any pain killers or xanax, I do celexa and another uptake med for my moods, Ive not found anything that can keep my moods stable till I started doing them.,, Im pretty sure non are adictive, but I should be monitored when I decide to come off of them, ive had physicals and ekg's blood work, low t injections and Ive realy been feeling better. the low t helps to motivate me and also makes me hornier than I already was, so if your always feeling down and dont feel like doing anything your dr. can do a quick blood test to see if you have low t and help you with a shot, the under arm prescription is like 400 bucks at the pharmacy, I cant afford that but my dr gives me the shots for pretty reasonable, any how keep working with your dr. if you have any kind of copd and can use a vaporizer start using that and your dr. will notice the difference along with you, and the amount you use, I use alot less when I vape!

 

Peace

[jointedone]

How lucky you all are that you can take pain meds.Pain just beats you down slowly until you just give up even trying to control it. It never goes away.

[craigslistman48307]

Not sure if this counts, but with Vicodin, oxytocin, neurontin I constantly felt very very body high, and had a extremely hard time going number 1 or number 2. I never felt safe to operate ANY machinery or automobile. I was never addicted to any painkillers, I just never liked them from the get-go, the very first usage the room was spinning and I felt very nauseous. I replaced the painkillers with Medical Cannabis, I felt the strain diesel berry (I can't find it anywhere) was a good replacement for the crotch pain (testicular cancer, testicle removal), and recent (back pain).