Supreme Court Ruling - McQueen - Compassionate Apothacary

[peanutbutter]

Yep, the free stuff is long gone.

 

I am afraid to transfer any decarbed extract outside my 5 patients. It's illegal, dontcha know....

 

And it looks like the cannabis cancer project can only help patients that are registered to one of the project members.

[Restorium2]

I sell topical oil kits ..

 

My biggest customer just closed.

 

I might have to break down and help my wife and son become caregivers.

Get a J O B. This isn't about supporting yourself off of patients. You need a differenent source of income. Differentiate yourself off of us.

[mibrains]

I sell topical oil kits ..

 

My biggest customer just closed.

 

I might have to break down and help my wife and son become caregivers.

 

Gersh..

if your biggest customer just closed.. then go online.. start a website and deliver or mail your topical oil. it does not have cannabis in it right? so you could easily still connect with those patients that need it. just go virtual and create your own dispensing model.

[peanutbutter]

As evidenced by this quote, I allow everyone to have their ridiculous interpretations on this site.

 

I do believe that views on all sides were aired.

 

And if you were reading my opinions, you were also reading the other ones. Including the ones that were constantly saying court rulings could change things.

[Highlander]

I sell topical oil kits ..

 

My biggest customer just closed.

 

I might have to break down and help my wife and son become caregivers.

 

Have you thought about talking to grow stores? Most of them sell pipes, etc. It might help some stores get new customers because you'd have a list of stores to give to people who are looking for PB oil. If I had a festiva and a reason to drive from store to store in order to whack 55 cents/mile of my income, I'd probably make the rounds for that reason alone.

[peanutbutter]

Get a J O B. This isn't about supporting yourself off of patients. You need a differenent source of income. Differentiate yourself off of us.

 

WOW .. I haven't been grabbing for patient bucks .. That was my point .. I've been leaving that up to you.

[cristinew]

well if someone can afford dispensaries prices they could buy a grow light,

[bobandtorey]

 

 

Some of your comments are so lacking in context they really come off insulting. I am saying this to you as a friend. The snow must be very, very deep there, and you probably don't get to talk to anyone but your cat nowadays, so I'll forgive it.

 

Of course our club has connected patients and caregivers, taught them to grow, enabled them to get seeds and clones, and even medicine while they are waiting for harvest. All from a monthly library meeting with NO CANNABIS ALLOWED. However, until now, the volume of patients and caregivers has been low enough that at least the initial hookup happens naturally with little intervention by me, and to this date, no formal, public mechanism has been needed to accomplish our mission. After having meetings relatively consistently for the past 3 1/2 years, I can honestly say that there has only been one person that has come to the club and asked me to get directly involved that has not been helped by somebody in our club. She was familiar with MOCC and was looking for a farmer's market, however. To my knowledge, there is nobody in our club that just sells marijuana to any patient looking for it, so we seem to be incapable of helping those people (for now).

 

This wave of dispensary closures is likely going to increase the number of unattached patients and caregivers, however, and as labor-intensive as it has been in a couple of cases helping to manage and/or kickstart the relationships created by the social and educational environment of the club, I know that I need a way for more people to do what is necessary independent of my efforts, which have, honestly, dwindled over time. Many months I wondered why I continued to hold a meeting, actually, as it just didn't seem that many people wanted or needed our help. We have been holding it together with a dedicated core, just by being there every month. We will be there again February 19 at 7 pm.

 

When Birmingham Compassion started, for the first few months, we had 80-100 people per meeting, every meeting. After the dispensaries opened, and even after the Oakland County dispensaries were closed, our average attendance was 10-20.

 

Hopefully developing this community resource and making it available only at the open, public meeting will drive patients and caregivers to really come and be a part, and also use the club as a vehicle to reach out to new patients and caregivers, and keep them coming back. The third column is a fantastic idea, Highlander, thanks.

 

I agree you run a great club and I still don't know how you do such a great job I wish I could do more to help the club

 

We hope that we can some day soon

 

Thank you for all the hard work you do for all of us

[cristinew]

heck you can buy a 600 watt HPS for less money than a dispensary oz

[Restorium2]

WOW .. I haven't been grabbing for patient bucks .. That was my point .. I've been leaving that up to you.

You have not a single scrap of hope to ever see that happening. It's never happened and it's not going to start now. Nice try shooting in the dark. You just shot yourself again. I don't get any income from patients at all but you cry to the high heavens any time your income off the sick and dying gets knicked.

[peanutbutter]

Have you thought about talking to grow stores? Most of them sell pipes, etc. It might help some stores get new customers because you'd have a list of stores to give to people who are looking for PB oil. If I had a festiva and a reason to drive from store to store in order to whack 55 cents/mile of my income, I'd probably make the rounds for that reason alone.

 

I also wonder what those patients in the Kalamazoo area are going to do.

 

Kevin has been giving away more than a hundred little bottles per week. People would keep coming back.

 

Off and on, I've been trying to find other dispensaries to do the same. To give it away for the sake of the good will it generates.

 

Festivas are dead. They stopped making the 12 inch tire a long time ago.

 

The idiot at the car lot let me drive away with a brand new car with just a signature. Costs me about $250 per month. The Spark gets about the same mileage as the Festiva and isn't about to break down.

[mibrains]

well if someone can afford dispensaries prices they could buy a grow light,

 

well for all 4 of my current patients...

 

none of my patients can grow for themselves.

not one of them.. and i heard that same issue hundreds of times last year..

 

most are space restricted, government housing, or have a child living at home..

[Highlander]

I just saw this on Craigslist:

 

hmmmm.....

 

 

 

Due to the Idiotic Michigan Supreme Court ruling.

Medical Cannabis "Patient to Patient transfers" will now be "Caregiver to Patient" transfers conducted by means of the

"HIGGERSON & SCHUETTE" method of Michigan Medical Cannabis transferring. This shall be the S.O.P. for the industry.

 

1. "Patient A" comes to any valid "Caregiver B" whom has an opening, WHEREVER THEY ARE SEATED IN MICHIGAN!

2. A + B complete all required paperwork, time stamp paperwork. Fill out envelope addresses to LARA put paperwork in envelope WITH THE $10.00 MICHIGAN SUPREME COURT FEE (really change of caregiver fee) and seal and stamp envelope.

3. Hand to Caregiver to mail to LARA! Have Patient sign form acknowledging envelope is sealed and is in caregivers hands, mail to LARA

4. Transfer up to 2.5 ounces per transfer.

5. Then before "A" leaves "B's" non profit Medical Cannabis Club/House, either party may renounce for any reason, each others services by signed letter, time stamped, sealed, stamped and addressed to LARA!.

6. Hand to Caregiver to mail to LARA! Have Patient sign form acknowledging envelope is sealed and is in caregiver hands, mail to LARA

7. Transaction complete, next!

8. Take great care to follow procedure and seal and mail in a very standard and correct professional manner.

 

This should take no longer than 5 minutes per transaction. Please, everyone advertise that the cost of medical cannabis 1/8 has now gone up $10.00, now that we have a Michigan Supreme Court fee.

The court system in Michigan is "Broken" I am medicated and I can see it! What is wrong with Michigan people? Why do we exist with such substandard intellectual individuals guiding our lives?

 

FLOOD THE STATE WITH PAPERWORK!

(And money)

[Northern Lab]

Lol. Awesome highlander!

[bobandtorey]

i figure a price decrease as patients will grow their own and not have to pay huge prices at dispensaries////

I agree more people will start to grow but so will the court case's for the courts and the ones that don't have money for Lawyers will be left to fight for them self

That's the part that worries us the most it won't take much time for people to know hey I have to much weed on hand so I will cook it up and they will make brownies and then here comes Leo to weigh it up for them

[mibrains]

i was thinking along those same lines..

 

a few weeks ago i asked when a change form has authority because of this exact possible scenario..

 

only

it would be immediately terminated at the end.. so.. cost would go up $20 dollars... for 2 change forms..

 

hello farmers markets..

 

one on one transactions for money are sanctified.

direct relationship is sanctified.

contract law says a contract is typically binding upon execution..

[cristinew]

make oil ,,

[Northern Lab]

 

I agree more people will start to grow but so will the court case's for the courts and the ones that don't have money for Lawyers will be left to fight for them self

That's the part that worries us the most it won't take much time for people to know hey I have to much weed on hand so I will cook it up and they will make brownies and then here comes Leo to weigh it up for them

 

In that case a call to their local extract specialist would be more appropriate for reducing on hand weight.

 

[Celliach]

I must confess, this ruling helps the caregivers of Michigan a lot.

 

At the expense of everyone else, including patients.

 

And that expense includes putting patients in jail. Find a caregiver or risk jail time.

 

Why should patients be marched at gunpoint to a caregiver?

 

Nobody is pointing guns. Stop the fear mongering. We've been operating under the assumption that dispensaries were illegal in my half pf the UP since the beginning. We don't have trouble finding CGs for PTs. You're creating problems that aren't there because you can no longer make money selling your wares to dispensaries. Nobody has a gun. Nobody is forcing you to get a CG. You can still grow for yourself. If you don't know how, there are plenty of people that will help you learn.

 

Stop being so disingenuous, and stop accusing people of wanting others to get arrested.

[Highlander]

i was thinking along those same lines..

 

a few weeks ago i asked when a change form has authority because of this exact possible scenario..

 

only

it would be immediately terminated at the end.. so.. cost would go up $20 dollars... for 2 change forms..

 

hello farmers markets..

 

one on one transactions for money are sanctified.

direct relationship is sanctified.

contract law says a contract is typically binding upon execution..

 

I guess the new angle in distribution arises out of the lack of clarity below:

 

(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act,

 

What does it mean? People in the past have argued that everyone in the registry is automatically connected, but that's impossible because then the phase "connected..." would be redundant.

 

So does the connection occur when the forms are filled out? Dropped in the mailbox, arrive at LARA?

 

And does that fact that the law does not say a Change Form is an application relevant? MDCH said to me a while back that a Change Form isn't subject to the 21 day rule because it isn't an application, it is a notice. A registered patient is notifying the department of a change.

 

Assuming for the sake of argument that the Change Form is simply a notice to the department, when do patient and CG become connected? There is nothing at all in the law or rules about 20 days with a change form.

 

When does the connection occur? This is a hugely relevant question after the CA ruling and people probably looking for CGs and meds ASAP.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Highlander

[Celliach]

I also wonder what those patients in the Kalamazoo area are going to do.

 

Kevin has been giving away more than a hundred little bottles per week. People would keep coming back.

 

Off and on, I've been trying to find other dispensaries to do the same. To give it away for the sake of the good will it generates.

 

Festivas are dead. They stopped making the 12 inch tire a long time ago.

 

The idiot at the car lot let me drive away with a brand new car with just a signature. Costs me about $250 per month. The Spark gets about the same mileage as the Festiva and isn't about to break down.

 

I guess you're going to have to go there personally to give your oil away. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.

[cristinew]

yes there are no dispensaries withing 100 miles of me,, everyone seems to have cannabis

[Celliach]

yes there are no dispensaries withing 100 miles of me,, everyone seems to have cannabis

Same here, I don't know of any PTs suffering.

[hic]

Peanut Butter. I try to give the benefit of doubt that one is no buffoon before coming to a determination that one is. It is over Love will have a chance to shine over greed. There is nothing you can do about it.

 

Leave the issue be PB. You are wise with marijuana though your heart is not true.

 

You can always change. If you want change.

[Morhawk]

When does the connection occur? This is a hugely relevant question after the CA ruling and people probably looking for CGs and meds ASAP.

 

Connected through the registration PROCESS.. ie the process of mailing it in and having them review it..

Edited February 9, 2013 by Morhawk