Clare County Compassion Club

[Herb Cannabis]

I take out a few hours to take care of the laundry and come back to this. WOW! Every one chill out, can't we debate this in a civil manner?

 

Sure they did. Several times. Almost continuously through the whole thread. We were in constant contact with the management of this web site. As it should be when we have important issues to discuss. You had your 10 minutes of fame because you rode shirt tails. Back to your regularly scheduled life Herb. See you when something else important comes up. Or not.

Your thinking here is extremely flawed, My intent was to announce our meeting, not begin a conflict. It was you and your friends who went on the attack, those are the facts of this situation. What should have been a one page post with a couple of replies has blown up into over 30 pages and nearly 600 replies.

 

 

"Come on Resto, no one gave anyone permission to talk about dispensaries, this was my thread and I certainly did not give permission for it to be hijacked, you took that upon your selves. I only intended on posting our meeting and listing our guest. That's it, anything else, is on you."

 

You do not dictate to me, I am my own man and I make my own decisions. Furthermore, my comments are as welcome here as yours, maybe even a little more so, I'm willing to play nicely with others . I have the capability to be as mean spirited and nasty as you are so willing to be, but I will try very hard to take the high road, thank you.

 

WHY MUST YOU BE SO RUDE? You need to learn how to play nice. Now, take your ball and go home, because you don't play well with others.

 

Btw, sure glad you don't control this site, it would have been dead and buried long ago, no one but you and your 2 or 3 buddies to post. What fun, NOT.

 

Hey, and maybe Jamie can help you with your legal fund idea..

 

This appears to me to be another personal attack, please explain to all of us out here us how this is constructive to the issue at hand. I'm certain that enquiring minds want to know.

 

Hey SFC I am going! Maybe you would like to go and see what hate looks in my eyes.

 

edited..... do to borderline insulting

 

You like freedom?

 

Hic, don't be angry with these guys, we have no idea what sort of an upbringing they enjoyed or not, nor why they are the way they are. I suppose to be honest, they are passionate about what they believe in, however, their is a right way and a wrong way to accomplish their goals. Currently, I believe that they are trying to bully their ideas into us. That won't work, honey draws far more flies than does vinegar. I just did my own borderline insulting, I'm sure they picked up on it, they aren't stupid you know. Let's see how they deal with it.

 

I will not be there to be entertained I am going there to see you.

 

I'm drawing from this that you are ready to kick some but, kind of what it sounds like. We are going to kick their buts, but, with the pen, like I said earlier, it is indeed mightier than the sword. Looking forward to meeting you. Now cool down and work the magic of that pen (keyboard). I'm fairy certain that these boys have no desire for physical confrontation with us, they are well aware that they couldn't handle it.

 

 

herb - please supply name tags. I wanna see who I talk too.

 

Use your user names please when you go.

 

No joke I am going - even if my mom is to die that die I will tell the bit#@ to wait to die. I am coming you made it personal. I expect to see you ALL the 23rd.

 

You do not think you can play hide and seek with this guy did ya?

 

We won't need name tags, we will know who is who when they open their pie holes. I hope that it can be a good meeting, hecklers/trouble makers will be escorted out period, friend or foe, no questions asked. Nasty will not be tolerated. I hope every one will remain calm cool and collected.

 

I will not be there to be entertained I am going there to see you.

 

Chill out my brother from another mother, I realize this guy is insulting, just remember, the pen is mightier than the sword. Maybe we arn't all as book learned as he is, so what? This doesn't make him any more smarter than we are, you notice that he hasn't convinced us of his side and in fact, he must be frustrated, look at all the crap that comes from his keyboard, nearly 8th grade level imo. He has given up on changing our view and taken up with insulting us ever so subtly, all the while, thinking that he has hurt our feelings. He should be very dissapointed in himself, again, he has failed in his mission. That is 2 strikes, maybe he will go away on the 3rd one! :~)

 

Don't allow these people to get under you skin, that is their main objective, deny them.

[rhinoman]

kudos herb cannabis

[Herb Cannabis]

I dont agree, but thats why your the boss and im not eh?

 

Peace zap

Jim

 

The topic of this thread is, "Clare County Compassion Club." It is way off topic. However, I don't mind, there has indeed been some discussion of merit along with a large side order of crap.

 

They feel herb gained an ally

 

Judging by some of the mail I have received, I've gain a few allies, thanks hic.

I said that many pages ago! Im sure it got deleted though. because I ad libbed a bit lmao, it is a disgrace, and most threads on this site are now, no one can make a thread that the wolves dont come out and circle the person that made it or any one they choose,

Im sure that got deleted also!

 

This site is going to hell in a hand basket, at least when it dies this time I wont be on the outside looking in, Im just waiting for only the mods to be talking to them selves here!

 

Thats what is gonna happen, go check others sites that people went to, including me, no one is there or its the same ole same ole their over there talking bad about here, even adminastrators from here are over there all buddy buddy! this site got a change, and its a change for the worse, you would think the owner of this site learned something from the last admin here, but he is to busy fighting the bad guys to make sure this site is being run right,,,,,,,,,here goes another of my posts to the grave yard, and I could realy care less, this is like watching big time wrestling here, any one remember that? ive went to cobo hall a few times and seen the sheik, bobo brazil, tex mckenzie! oh the good ole days, I think a good get together that dont include politics is needed, maybe than we could all start fresh and start respecting each other!

 

I will bring some of my oil sticks!

 

it is clear to me now that you cant have an unsensored site, this is what happens, and the mods wind up with to much work trying to clean up the mess, they have a thankless job, they all came here like we all did lol, only dif is they chose to be the baby sitters of grown men and women!

 

Peace

Jim

 

Admin, Mods, Michael, do you believe me now? I warned you that people are going to leave here if you all don't clean up the place. People don't like being attacked at all let alone on a regular basis as is being done by SFC, Malumute and Restorium. Could it be that Bb or who ever banned them in the first place may have gotten it right?

 

Jim, do not allow the wolves to drive you out of here. Report it when they call people names or are just plain nasty, and then quote them and point out their bad behavior. DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DRIVE YOU AWAY, you have lifted my spirits with some of your replies at precisely the right time for me. I would come in bummed to the max and bang, here you are making me lmfao. I can't possibly thank you enough for those times, so please do not go away. Thank you, John.

 

Thanks ganj, no one is perfect, and I most def need to be on some kind of head meds, and im not afraid to say that, they make me be me. not some angry guy who alot of people have seen here and in other sites, I have many friends, its realy sad that the rest of us aren't still here, but dont get me wrong I can only take so much and I can either let it out, or shut the p.c off, well shutting down my p.c is not fair to me, so if people are gonna be like they are, im gonna giggle and watch and say wow is that how I used to be! I dont think any one has been banned from here as much as me, in fact im almost willing to bet the farm on that one lol!

 

Peace

Jim

 

You are a good man, and I'd be proud to call you friend.

[hic]

I see what is going on... the more time I spend behind this keyboard the more I see.

 

I do not wish to cause panic with my talk. I wish to show them what they are doing out-side of the courtroom.

 

I would rather have a friend then a lawyer and they have never got that. Goes with all us non members of nothing not on a high horse of self.

 

on another note if they would not have gotten under my skin I would not have gone to your meeting the 23rd. Let them circle people it will only make your dream grow with their over-spill.

 

Let them build...that is what they wanted to do so let them continue to go under people skin If that is fate.

 

 

[+Malamute]

I do not attack people, i post facts. If you don;t like the facts, i cannot help that.

 

Jamie tries to obscure the facts, yet they are in black and white. If you can't see them, i can;t help you.

 

When i tell the truth, some find it offensive. I cannot help that either.

 

I normally see myself being attacked by people who are disputing the facts. I cannot help that.

 

You, Herb, say you only oppose our view because you don;t like how we say it, not that we are wrong. I cannot help that.

 

All i can do is lay it out there and hope people see through the nonsense. If you are prejudiced to what i say because of how i say it, your are only damaging yourself. I come with proof, facts and truth with no hidden agenda. I publish my agenda and filed it with the Federal Government. :-) No mysteries here. No money agaenda. I support the law and will fight off threats to the current law.

 

Sorry if you do not understand that or just simply don;t like me. But if you don;t like me or wtvr, i would still use the information i give out. It is solid as always.

[Restorium2]

The topic of this thread is, "Clare County Compassion Club." It is way off topic. However, I don't mind, there has indeed been some discussion of merit along with a large side order of crap.

 

 

 

Judging by some of the mail I have received, I've gain a few allies, thanks hic.

 

 

Admin, Mods, Michael, do you believe me now? I warned you that people are going to leave here if you all don't clean up the place. People don't like being attacked at all let alone on a regular basis as is being done by SFC, Malumute and Restorium. Could it be that Bb or who ever banned them in the first place may have gotten it right?

 

Jim, do not allow the wolves to drive you out of here. Report it when they call people names or are just plain nasty, and then quote them and point out their bad behavior. DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DRIVE YOU AWAY, you have lifted my spirits with some of your replies at precisely the right time for me. I would come in bummed to the max and bang, here you are making me lmfao. I can't possibly thank you enough for those times, so please do not go away. Thank you, John.

 

 

 

You are a good man, and I'd be proud to call you friend.

You are off topic and insulting at the same time. Why do get to do that? Double standards.

[hic]

I will ask Boss to go with me. He has never been to a meeting and I think you might inspire him to help the people.

 

He does not care for the people like me...He is as close to Blood as it gets without being so.

 

I think he is fine R - wink

[jamieuke]

I do not attack people, i post facts. If you don;t like the facts, i cannot help that.

 

Jamie tries to obscure the facts, yet they are in black and white. If you can't see them, i can;t help you.

 

When i tell the truth, some find it offensive. I cannot help that either.

 

I normally see myself being attacked by people who are disputing the facts. I cannot help that.

 

You, Herb, say you only oppose our view because you don;t like how we say it, not that we are wrong. I cannot help that.

 

All i can do is lay it out there and hope people see through the nonsense. If you are prejudiced to what i say because of how i say it, your are only damaging yourself. I come with proof, facts and truth with no hidden agenda. I publish my agenda and filed it with the Federal Government. :-) No mysteries here. No money agaenda. I support the law and will fight off threats to the current law.

 

Sorry if you do not understand that or just simply don;t like me. But if you don;t like me or wtvr, i would still use the information i give out. It is solid as always.

 

Projection, or difficulty in understanding that your assumptions are not facts? You have made another incorrect and false statement about me.

 

I may skew the false image that you and others are attempting to portray, but I, personally stick to the truth.

 

Just because you write something down, does not make it reality.

 

Herb is exactly correct.

[+Malamute]

but when the documents , news releases, city council meetings and your personal correspondances say different,... i will go with those.

 

When you specifically say that the Ypsi ordinance did not compromise caregivers and the fukn city ordinance is staring you in the face full of registration and inspections,... how can i not laugh in your face?

 

When you say someone said something that wasnt true, and then say what is true is almost to the word exactly what they said. how i can i not feel your are just obfuscating and misdirecting? I mean i even color coded it.

 

When i ask you a list of questions:

 

So it is your view as well as mine i raised here, that MML is piggybacking local ordinance proposals and using the fear of home growing and commercial operations to push their model language agenda through?

 

Do you find it dangerous to be the one(or involved with the people) pushing the angle that home growing is dangerous in neighbourhoods, CG's are incompetent and akin to street dealers and basicly pushing groups like MML. MTA and PAAMs agenda through for them, and is this why you have backed away from fully supporting this flawed bill and its approach?

 

Do you see there to be danger involved with introducing the vessel and providing the fear and fodder to accellerate the oppositions ability to instill harsh regulations statewide as they have done in dozens upon dozens of municipalities such as Ypsilanti? Would you give up commercial operations in Ypsilanti to protect caregivers and get the current ordinance changed?

 

Can you help negate the damage being caused by this "safe access" propaganda?

 

And would you be willing to stand up against the sources of said damaging propaganda?

 

 

Also, last session, did Callton express to you or your group(s) that the Walsh package of bills would have to pass for your dispensary bill to have a chance? And did this cause a softened approach to opposition of the Walsh set of bills?

 

 

And you don't ever really answer them while i answer and provide proof for everything asked or rebutted of me,... what am i to think? Dodging, misleading, obfuscating and deflective.

 

So, jamie, you can say what ya want here,... try to avoid the truth of what happened and the unintended consequences of your actions, and the future unintended consequences of your current actions.

 

I feel as though they are purposeful and done with no real regret as long as you get what ya want. I feel as though, and am supported by past actions and results, that you are willing to see caregivers restricted to allow for your business. I feel as though at best, you will shed a crocodile tear for the Cg's.

 

Now those last lines are personal opinion, but at least i am honest.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Malamute

[Restorium2]

Herb's beef is that he doesn't like it that he was proven wrong in his own thread. His hero Jamie, that has praised folks who made ordinances that made it so patients can't even grow at home, tries to hide that published fact.

[Herb Cannabis]

Maybe a bunch of you ought jump ship and build a pirate ship of your own? As much as so many of you pissANDmoan about how bad this site is it baffles me that you stick around. How 'bout it gw, hic, phaq? You should start your own site. That would be cool. Maybe it would become the biggest site related to medical marijuana in Michigan? I bet that a big cluster of like-minded people like you would be successful. You should give it some serious thought.

 

CL, this is our site, has been and will be until the powers who own it say otherwise.

 

It was them who were banned from here, wonder why they were banned in the first place, they should remain band imo as all they are doing here is pushing their own agendas, the patients they say. Really?

 

You are off topic and insulting at the same time. Why do get to do that? Double standards.

 

Their is no double standard, you started this crap and I warned you that I'd fight back and I am. If you doubt you started this, go back to the beginning of my post and read it again, it was you who started the crap, own it! You seem to get angry at anyone who disagrees with you and then you attempt to insult them or their intelligence. If you want to play these games, I'm more than up to it and I will call you out on this forum every single time I see it. Or, we can cut the crap and discuss the issue like adults, your choice.

 

Who in this day and age makes mirrors? I mean besides a factory? Go to IKEA. Good selection and low cost. Don't forget to bring along the gang, as kiddies eat free on Tuesday!

 

You're better than this, please explain what constructive contribution this is supposed to be, or is it beyond my capabilities to comprehend? Come on man, you have always seemed like a person who wants to help others, and this doesn't become you.

 

I do not attack people, i post facts. If you don;t like the facts, i cannot help that. See your post #142, on there, you posted "assumptions", your words not mine.

 

Jamie tries to obscure the facts, yet they are in black and white. If you can't see them, i can;t help you.

 

When i tell the truth, some find it offensive. I cannot help that either.

 

I normally see myself being attacked by people who are disputing the facts. I cannot help that.

 

You, Herb, say you only oppose our view because you don;t like how we say it, not that we are wrong. I cannot help that. I not only oppose your view because of your attitudes, I oppose your view because I know that the bill isn't perfect, it needs to be amended, not killed.

 

All i can do is lay it out there and hope people see through the nonsense. If you are prejudiced to what i say because of how i say it, your are only damaging yourself. I come with proof, facts and truth with no hidden agenda. I publish my agenda and filed it with the Federal Government. :-) No mysteries here. No money agaenda. I support the law and will fight off threats to the current law. You're entitled to do what ever you want, but you surely not so naive as to expect every one to jump on your band wagon.

 

Sorry if you do not understand that or just simply don;t like me. But if you don;t like me or wtvr, i would still use the information i give out. It is solid as always.

 

It seems that Herb's main beef is that it went on in this thread, associated with Clare County Compassion Club. It is because of the speaker, and I am not sure how to keep people from commenting on a speaker, or if we should.

 

See my earlier post, I said that I didn't mind. I'm just sick to death of a few who are rude and condescending to other members. Read this post and look at my PM's, I have received support from the community. These few people attack nearly every one. Why can't you see that, go back and read their post, they aren't much fun and I feel that they take away from the 3MA.

 

Herb's beef is that he doesn't like it that he was proven wrong in his own thread. His hero Jamie, that has praised folks who made ordinances that made it so patients can't even grow at home, tries to hide that published fact.

 

Proven wrong about what and by whom, you and Mal? Don't be ridiculous resto, you are making me laugh. You assume yet again, I told you about that, I've met Jamie one time and never called him my hero, prove me wrong.

 

Personally, I do like him, he seems to be a well educated and a caring person imo.

[jamieuke]

but when the documents , news releases, city council meetings and your personal correspondances say different,... i will go with those.

 

When you specifically say that the Ypsi ordinance did not compromise caregivers and the fukn city ordinance is staring you in the face full of registration and inspections,... how can i not laugh in your face?

 

When you say someone said something that wasnt true, and then say what is true is almost to the word exactly what they said. how i can i not feel your are just obfuscating and misdirecting? I mean i even color coded it.

 

When i ask you a list of questions:

 

 

 

 

And you don't ever really answer them while i answer and provide proof for everything asked or rebutted of me,... what am i to think? Dodging, misleading, obfuscating and deflective.

 

So, jamie, you can say what ya want here,... try to avoid the truth of what happened and the unintended consequences of your actions, and the future unintended consequences of your current actions.

 

I feel as though they are purposeful and done with no real regret as long as you get what ya want. I feel as though, and am supported by past actions and results, that you are willing to see caregivers restricted to allow for your business. I feel as though at best, you will shed a crocodile tear for the Cg's.

 

Now those last lines are personal opinion, but at least i am honest.

 

You continue to spew but not substantiate. There is nothing that I said or did, in anything that you referenced that connects me to your wild conspiracy theories.

 

The fact that you believe that my statement contradicting Hayduke's false assumptions about NPRA actually supported him and that your lame color coding crap supports this theory, is telling about your ability or inability to process information.

 

Maybe you actually believe yourself, but you remain incorrect.

[Restorium2]

If you think anything I said is an attack Herb then you are a jellyfish. I can't say it any other way. I've only used facts from published material to make important points.

[Restorium2]

He didn't say that about you, not that I read. But you did call him a jellyfish. For nothing.

I said IF he thinks what I said was an attack THEN he's a jellyfish. I mean come on. Get a SKIN.

[GregS]

He didn't say that about you, not that I read. But you did call him a jellyfish. For nothing.

 

Resto has always shown himself short on facts and long on personal attacks. An inspection of his posts, going back years, clearly points this up. Your call Zap.

Edited March 12, 2013 by GregS

[Restorium2]

When we have things like this going on;

https://cityofypsilanti.ewashtenaw.org/news/Medical_Marijuana/Home%20Occ%20Fact%20Sheet

you will need to grow a skin if you have not already. The new law Jamie is proposing just makes it worse.

[+Malamute]

You continue to spew but not substantiate. There is nothing that I said or did, in anything that you referenced that connects me to your wild conspiracy theories.

 

The fact that you believe that my statement contradicting Hayduke's false assumptions about NPRA actually supported him and that your lame color coding crap supports this theory, is telling about your ability or inability to process information.

 

Maybe you actually believe yourself, but you remain incorrect.

 

And my questions are still not answered.

 

 

 

So it is your view as well as mine i raised here, that MML is piggybacking local ordinance proposals and using the fear of home growing and commercial operations to push their model language agenda through?

 

Do you find it dangerous to be the one(or involved with the people) pushing the angle that home growing is dangerous in neighbourhoods, CG's are incompetent and akin to street dealers and basicly pushing groups like MML. MTA and PAAMs agenda through for them, and is this why you have backed away from fully supporting this flawed bill and its approach?

 

Do you see there to be danger involved with introducing the vessel and providing the fear and fodder to accellerate the oppositions ability to instill harsh regulations statewide as they have done in dozens upon dozens of municipalities such as Ypsilanti? Would you give up commercial operations in Ypsilanti to protect caregivers and get the current ordinance changed?

 

Can you help negate the damage being caused by this "safe access" propaganda?

 

And would you be willing to stand up against the sources of said damaging propaganda?

 

 

Also, last session, did Callton express to you or your group(s) that the Walsh package of bills would have to pass for your dispensary bill to have a chance? And did this cause a softened approach to opposition of the Walsh set of bills?

 

And my wild conspiracy theories are laid in fact and posted for all to see in this thread PLUS the direct contact between us while you were still in CPU, plus the work you did writing the ordinance proposal, with who you wrote the ordinance proposal, the city councilman with which you worked with and the results of you pushing the city to adopt commercialization. The results are posted for all to see. You got what you wanted and CG's got the shaft.

 

Not sure how any of that is conspiracy Jamie. That is all fact.

 

I still see what was said about NPRA as 99% fact and have no idea why you say it isnt? Formed by dispensaries. Run by dispensaries. Main goal is dispensaries. 7 of their last 8 press releases were about dispensaries. Their own stated goal is that they are primarily focused on 4271. You said it yourself even. Seems truthful to me. I have yet to see one iota of proof from you about NPRA to back up any of your claims to the opposite. Just empty rhetoric.

 

And my questions are still not answered at all.

 

Are you willing to stop the assault on Caregivers? Are you willing to fix your mistakes you caused in Ypsilanti?

 

And the rest of questions posed.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Malamute

[jamieuke]

 

 

And my questions are still not answered.

 

And my wild conspiracy theories are laid in fact and posted for all to see in this thread PLUS the direct contact between us while you were still in CPU, plus the work you did writing the ordinance proposal, with who you wrote the ordinance proposal, the city councilman with which you worked with and the results of you pushing the city to adopt commercialization. The results are posted for all to see. You got what you wanted and CG's got the shaft.

 

Not sure how any of that is conspiracy Jamie. That is all fact.

 

I still see what was said about NPRA as 99% fact and have no idea why you say it isnt? Formed by dispensaries. Run by dispensaries. Main goal is dispensaries. 7 of their last 8 press releases were about dispensaries. Their own stated goal is that they are primarily focused on 4271. You said it yourself even. Seems truthful to me. I have yet to see one iota of proof from you about NPRA to back up any of your claims to the opposite. Just empty rhetoric.

 

And my questions are still not answered at all.

 

Are you willing to stop the assault on Caregivers? Are you willing to fix your mistakes you caused in Ypsilanti?

 

And the rest of questions posed.

 

I said that I would answer any question(s) that were not rhetorical or basking in a false presence.

 

Both of your questions represent a false premise.

 

It must first be substantiated that I launched an "assault" on caregivers, or that I made "mistakes" in Ypsi.

 

You have yet to demonstrate that this happened. Just because you think it, does not make it so.

Edited March 13, 2013 by jamieuke

[+Malamute]

Ok. I am talking to a brick wall.

 

Are you willing to help stop NPRA from degrading CG's and saying they are not safe in neighbourhoods? Robin Schneider, Robert Mullen, and many others including A2 guild have resorted to these tactics over and over again and are blanketting Lansing in the fact CG's are not good, street dealers and unsafe for patients. Are you willing to help us stop it?

 

I mean this crap is all over the place on this forum and posted in this thread and coated in press releases and news articles throughout the state.

 

If you disagree with that,... you are just being obtuse and must be hiding in a closet.

 

We will go one question at a time so as not to confuse you.

[maxmax]

kudos herb cannabis

+ + + +

[Herb Cannabis]

If you think anything I said is an attack Herb then you are a jellyfish. I can't say it any other way. I've only used facts from published material to make important points.

 

Your very first sentence is an attack on me. You could have phrased it many different ways and arrived at the same conclusion, however, you chose your words. Don't you know how to treat others? Read that dam book I told you about, you might just learn something about yourself. Sorry if it scares you, again, the title is, "How to Win Friends and Influence People," by Dale Carnegie.

 

Here is a link where you can find it, cheap, less than $10. http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034

[maxmax]

in press releases and news articles throughout the state. you can't believe every thing you read so times you need to talk to the person/ in person but this is not a good place

[+Malamute]

Um, do you even understand what a press release is Bob?

[Herb Cannabis]

I think this is what people are complaining about.

 

This is exactly what they are talking about and I won't give up the complain until after these folks learn how to play nicely.

[jamieuke]

Ok. I am talking to a brick wall.

 

Are you willing to help stop NPRA from degrading CG's and saying they are not safe in neighbourhoods? Robin Schneider, Robert Mullen, and many others including A2 guild have resorted to these tactics over and over again and are blanketting Lansing in the fact CG's are not good, street dealers and unsafe for patients. Are you willing to help us stop it?

 

I mean this crap is all over the place on this forum and posted in this thread and coated in press releases and news articles throughout the state.

 

If you disagree with that,... you are just being obtuse and must be hiding in a closet.

 

We will go one question at a time so as not to confuse you.

 

I highly doubt that your questions will "confuse" me.

 

I think that you take some liberties with your characterization of NPRA again, but I do understand what you mean and what you are asking.

 

I have and will continue to press the issues with the bill that I agree are in desperate need of fixing. This includes the "cultivation" issue, the issue of transfers that Hayduke brought up and other things. I do believe that these things will get addressed, but I will be incredibly more at ease when they actually are.

 

I have answered this specific question before, even in this thread already, but it is important, I agree.

 

Mullen's has not been with NPRA for several months now, as far as I know.