So The House Has Passed Right To Work.

[GanjaWarrior]

This will not make us have more jobs in Michigan,, if there were many jobs, wadges would increase ,,, they want you to be forced into that low paying job,, take this 8 dollar an hour job, or starve,

 

Not to correct you, but i think you meant to say..."take this 8 dollar an hour job, AND starve"...I apologize if I am mistaken.

[+Malamute]

I would agree that they CAN be fired. It doesnt have to be mandatory. Should be up to the employer, and people do make mistakes sometimes. They may still be a valued employee.

[purklize]

That is very, very flawed logic you are employing there. First, and I could be wrong, there is nothing forcing a workplace to hire nonunion workers that benefit under someone else's contract. I can see it now, a player being picked in the nth round of the draft being compensated as much as Ben Wallace.

 

Second, if your prophecy holds true then it would go full circle. Workers would lose the benefit of the union if it crashed. They would realize their loss and unionize. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. People aren't stupid. If there is the odd person among them that isn't in the union they would be ostracized and everyone knows that. Going to work would be hell on them if they had the benefit of union negotiations.without paying for them. This whole theory of the grand catastrophe is nonsense. Are you really all for an organized gang telling an empolyer they cannot hire someone unless the person joins the gang? Is this America or Amerika? From each according to his ability and to each according to his need.

 

You didn't grasp what I wrote. Of course there is nothing forcing a workplace to hire a non-union worker. There is merely a strong financial incentive to do so as the more such workers they have, the less resources the union has to negotiate contracts (or to even continue to exist).

 

Who pays in and who doesn't isn't public knowledge in the workplace, so your second point is moot.

 

Organized gang? Are you insinuating that workers attempting to get a living wage so that they can feed and clothe their family, give their children a decent education and take them to the doctor when needed are... sociopaths?

 

In the end, all of the anti-worker talk is utter nonsense and can only be regurgitated by those with a naive concept of economics and an inability to reason.

 

 

As the above data makes abundantly clear, the claim that union workers at factories are bankrupting the nation (or those on food stamps, etc.) is like claiming the candy bar you bought on the way home from blowing the bank at the casino is what caused your bankruptcy.

 

If I recall correctly from my history lessons, the unions used violence to secure many rights in the first place. I think it was likely needed.

 

Low wages are not an inconvenience, they result in suicides, broken relationships, malnutrition, early deaths from stress and preventible, treatable diseases. Poverty is violence.

 

The day the people realize that the fastest path to defeat is using the tactics urged by the enemy - that's the end.

[bobandtorey]

I wonder if it would be any different if it was a white-collar worker that they found coming-out of the bar

[solabeirtan]

I would agree that they CAN be fired. It doesnt have to be mandatory. Should be up to the employer, and people do make mistakes sometimes. They may still be a valued employee.

Exactly how do you judge the quality of a trades person by snooping in on his privacy to his detriment while you abscond with his privacy for political as well as financial gain, you know. For quenching his thirst after a hurried 30 min lunch. . These guys were victimized, probably by Fox News, no doubt.

 

The media gets away with murder again: UK pranksters from an Australian radio show in called into the hospital room where Duchess Kate? was being treated for morning sickness. The helpfull nurses assistant fielded the call, gave out some private info on her condition, unaware that she was being puncked. She was so emotionally distraught she commited suicide that night. Never told anybody. not even bye...

 

Watch for charges, as well their should be.

[SFC]

Sola, what does that have to do with this conversation? But since you brought it up, that nurse way overreacted, she was not in trouble , nobody was mad at her, she took the ultimate decision to end her life. Do you ever in a million years think anyone including the DJ's intended for or had ANY reason to believe someone would lose their life? Regardless, it has nothing to do with RTW.

 

And Mal notice I said "should be ABLE to fire".No mandatory deals from me. As an employer that is a decision that they should be free to make.

Edited December 9, 2012 by SFC

[solabeirtan]

Sola, what does that have to do with this conversation? But since you brought it up, that nurse way overreacted, she was not in trouble , nobody was mad at her, she took the ultimate decision to end her life. Do you ever in a million years think anyone including the DJ's intended for or had ANY reason to believe someone would lose their life? Regardless, it has nothing to do with RTW.

 

And Mal notice I said "should be ABLE to fire".No mandatory deals from me. As an employer that is a decision that they should be free to make.

Calm down, what's your problem ? You thought I was dissing Mal or somethiing, shheheeeeeeeessshh. This was my contribution to the conversation. The media jekyls were the rats, nothing new if you were from Detroit or Michigan. They've been trashing us forever. Part of the great socialization of America.

 

You dont think its not relevant? That makes it your problem, try to keep it that way, have anything else to contribute?. Ill try once more to clarify my point. Its a little about respect #1, you think thats OK to punk patients in hospitals? You have no idea what she percieved the ramifications of her innocent act, how bad it was to take such a drastic measure.

 

#2 Circumstantial: If They didn't call, is there any possibility this would have happened? Very very doubtful...

 

How about that video crew pay those guys unemployment benefits, + child support, ins, rent, car pmnts, utilities... as well Fox news, not including pain and suffering.

Edited December 10, 2012 by solabeirtan

[Restorium2]

I also agree we do still need them and I do appreciate what the sit down strikers did. But Resto, in the case of them Chrysler workers, yes, they absolutely should be able to be fired. There is no justifying drinking on the job.

And they were fired. After two years the union negotiated their return. Did you read where they hired an impartial arbitrator to decide the case? What part of that isn't fair?

[rhinoman]

union non union dosent matter anymore the fight should be the way they ran this bill threw the house and senate. its realy a act of aggresion. and these are the people you want to deal with to better the mmmact.

[+Malamute]

 

And Mal notice I said "should be ABLE to fire".No mandatory deals from me. As an employer that is a decision that they should be free to make.

 

I know... I agreed with you....

 

 

[bobandtorey]

union non union dosent matter anymore the fight should be the way they ran this bill threw the house and senate. its realy a act of aggresion. and these are the people you want to deal with to better the mmmact.

I agree and that's the point

[SFC]

No Resto, it is not fair to the employer that already decided they didn't appreciate their jobs or the responsibility that comes with it.

[CaveatLector]

union non union dosent matter anymore the fight should be the way they ran this bill threw the house and senate. its realy a act of aggresion. and these are the people you want to deal with to better the mmmact.

Truth is a lame duck session can get ugly no matter the controlling party. It's more an issue of structure and procedure than anything. Maybe the state ought consider eliminating lame duck sessions?

[rhinoman]

well maybe they are allready changing structure and procedure back to a dictatership. paint a little mustach on that douche and what ya got. this is gona get ulgy.

[bobandtorey]

It will get ugly the union is not going to take it laying down thats for sure

Today their will be a lot of them inn Lansing fight ing for their own jobs

[Restorium2]

No Resto, it is not fair to the employer that already decided they didn't appreciate their jobs or the responsibility that comes with it.

Obviously the arbitrator thought it was fair. The impartial abitrator. You just are clueless here. Talking in circles. Both sides, the Union and Management, hired the impartial arbitrator to do the right thing for all parties involved and you are trying to make that look like Chrysler got pushed around. Find another case to cherry pick because this one doesn't show what you want it to. You picked a bad example to push for your agenda. Not saying there are not better ones out there for you to cherry pick. Look a little harder. Or, just ask someone who worked there for a long time. I've ran a non union business and then worked in the shop. I saw both sides of it. This move they made was in the wrong direction for Michigan. If you don't believe me then go ask your friend Ken Horn who voted against it. He will sit you down for 20 minutes and you will understand it better.

[phaquetoo]

we got prevailing wages Because>>?????

 

 

Seven of the 10 poorest states are right-to-work states.

 

Because it was a military base and they are supposed to pay union scale, but dont have to hire union workers!

 

Peace

Jim

[solabeirtan]

Because it was a military base and they are supposed to pay union scale, but dont have to hire union workers!

 

Peace

Jim

Is it possible maybe you were working with Radioactive Material?

[phaquetoo]

 

Exactly how do you judge the quality of a trades person by snooping in on his privacy to his detriment while you abscond with his privacy for political as well as financial gain, you know. For quenching his thirst after a hurried 30 min lunch. . These guys were victimized, probably by Fox News, no doubt.

 

The media gets away with murder again: UK pranksters from an Australian radio show in called into the hospital room where Duchess Kate? was being treated for morning sickness. The helpfull nurses assistant fielded the call, gave out some private info on her condition, unaware that she was being puncked. She was so emotionally distraught she commited suicide that night. Never told anybody. not even bye...

 

Watch for charges, as well their should be.

[Restorium2]

And Mal notice I said "should be ABLE to fire".No mandatory deals from me. As an employer that is a decision that they should be free to make.

Here's a clue;

When your views are to the right of the right leaning conservative representive from your area, then you might want to rethink that if you consider yourself to be in the middle of the spectrum politically. You might be either under informed or looking at things with a very limited perspective, due to your own situation.

[Northern Lab]

How far the mighty GOP has fallen:

 

[cristinew]

Seems like the republican party does not like workers,, teachers, cannabis patients, women elderly retired michigan workers raised taxes on them,,, the list goes on and on,, why do they get elected?

 

Now today we would not have a Labor Day if it was up to them..

 

Now BACK to 1956 when unions were strong the family unit was strong America was strong,

Edited December 10, 2012 by cristinew

[Timmahh]

Unions are not the Cure all, they are but a tool. In the case, and yes they are their own beast, and need to be quelled, not quashed. But the Simple Fact is the Ability to Unionize is WHAT BUILT the Middle Class in America. The Middle Class is what REALLY Built America.

 

Every one of you Folks here the cry Absolute Foul where unions are concerned, better close your lips, open your ears, and set down with those that are 70 plus years old and older. Those of you that are 70 yrs old, or close, and have 1st hand experience of what your Parents and Grandparents Life was like Prior to Unions, Please let these people in on the way things were when your grandparents were working, or perhaps your parents that had to put in 10 hrs a day instead of being in school.

 

Unions wont save the world, but they are a Very Important tool between the working class and the class that Thinks they build everything the Money Pushers on Top. Unions are a Tool and if, as the builder of something, in this case the mechanism that BUILT the middle class, you don't have access to the best tools, the job will take longer, and be more tough to build, and MAY NOT EVEN BE Doable.

 

Any of you Anti Union Types ever think about the correlation between the vastly Shrinking Unions through the United States, and the Equally Fast, Vastly Shrinking Middle Class? Or is that asking you to use your brain for something more than a hat rack as my grandma used to say?

 

Lose Unions, lose the Middle Class. We are one step away from that now. and here in Michigan, Last Thursday, we just stepped through that mirror into the rabbit hole.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Timmahh

[+washtenaut]

I like how they promote 'Social Security Expanded'

[Restorium2]

Make no mistake about it, this problem was created by union employees. They bragged their butts off about how good they had it. Brag, brag, brag, to the point of ridiculousless and lies. They created their own problem, created a hate group of people left out of their little piece of heaven. Those people will never be convinced a union is good. They have too much deep seated hate for those ridiculous stories. Union labor is HUGE. There are so many people involved that you will get the oddball occurance of total disregard for anyone but themselves. That's where the stories come from. And that's how they use your hate to get you on the band wagon against unions. They have a trick to get every brand and style of hater on their band wagon. This time it's union haters at their service.