What A Bite In The....

[Norby]

5th time I've filled out a change form.  You'd think I'd get it right.  Forgot to fill out section B.  Which I noticed is the exact same fields as the first page of the caregiver attestation.  The c# on the top made me think it was a current caregivers info for some reason.  SOB!!!

[trichcycler]

I feel ya man. nothing like feeling like a bonehead eh.

 

I want online registration NOW!

[garyfisher]

online registration would help avoid this problems.

[t-pain]

pot smokers cant fill out forms... tsk tsk

 

wait, did i say that or just think it?

[trichcycler]

zap, do you think their paperwork management is cheaper than digital data management?

[t-pain]

doctors could sign patients up in the clinic.

 

you know, because its required that the dr sees the patient anyhow...

[Habenero]

Yeah theres a lot of older folks out there with no computer access.  Paper or digital? Needs to be an option. No reason they can't run both.

[trichcycler]

I understand, and mentioned "cost" as a reference to the "worth it" suggestion. I can see big folly if/when they do change, but it wont bother me one bit, until they fail of course.

[t-pain]

of course, i was throwing ideas out there.

 

imo LARA, sitting on all of that money, could help patients and caregivers to fill the incomplete forms over the darn phone instead of mailing it back, having the cg fill it out and mail it again back to lara.

 

i realize the lazy govt weasel employees never do this, but just about every single other private company will. or they allow email/fax , bunny muffin, even twitter / facebook support.

[phaquetoo]

Zap I agree with most of what you say,,,,,,,,but a dr. shouldnt orient his office around mm pt's?   I realy dont know any dr. that does family practice and mm renews or rec's,,,,,,so like dr. bob he most def runs his office or practice around mm pt's, that is where his biggest income comes from!  (yea yea bob, I know you do more than that NOT) mm dr.'s are mm dr.'s and nothing else these days, I hope that changes real quick, Im tired of going to my family dr. and having to go else where for a renew every time my card gets close to expiring,,,,,,mm drs's are mm dr.'s, yea they may have done other things before the law, but now they can just do mm rec's and renews and make their cash, I have nothing against the dr.'s doing this, if it wasnt for the mm dr.'s we would not be able to be legal, this whole law is built to make it hard on pt's, and if you dont have pt's you dont have c.g's or mm dr.'s!

 

Peace

 

edit= I asked dr. bob to be my dr. I wanted him to meet all of my medical needs, he flat out told me NO!  so what is his office oriented too?  I heard he used to be a pain clinic kind of dr. so it wouldnt go aginst his practice to also see me a few times a yr and prescribe some of the meds I need or a physical once a yr, flu shots, etc!

Edited October 16, 2014 by phaquetoo

[Restorium2]

With computer and internet gliches, new ones every day, I want a way to manually deliver my application and demand my right to choose cannabis. 

 

I can hear it now, "You can have your rights just as soon as we figure out what kind of virus our computers have. Then resubmit and wait."

 

I have already waited 4 months because of a computer glich at LARA. The only thing I had during those months is a hard copy my doctor and I filled out. I will not be fooled again into going head over heals for 'glich land' because it would be so much easier. Easier isn't always better. Redundancy rules when dealing with LARA and cannabis. I would always do both, internet and hard copy, so what good would it really do? I think it would give some folks a false sense of security that they could only realistically enjoy if they actually had hard copy with United States Postal Service Proof Of Delivery.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Restorium2

[Norby]

No Shiite. I'd be on my way to Lansing now if I could get this done in person!  There should be more options.  What year is it?

[mibrains]

Phaq -

Dr Bobs office does way more than just MM certs.

 

they are specialists in pain management and cannabis therapy is only one part of their larger health care strategy.

 

they offer many types of pain management strategies including opioid replacement therapy.

 

would you go to your cardiologist or oncologist and demand they be your family doctor and take care of all your other medical needs? 

 

no i think not.

 

please do not harsh on Dr Bobs office for not taking you on for regular medical needs...  thats not fair.

 

no specialist in any field would.

 

Zap

i agree that LARA could and should allow both paper and electronic systems... there is no reason why both would not be able to run in harmony with each other.

[Restorium2]

I think Dr. Meyer out of Saginaw might be able to be your primary care physician and your cannabis specialist. Seriously, cannabis is no more dangerous than blood pressure medication, actually safer. So it's not like asking your brain surgeon to be your primary. There's no reason cannabis recommendation has to be at a specialist and not at your regular doctor appointment. The only reason is political, not medical. 

[trichcycler]

I know several doctors that will review a patient for marijuana consideration. All of them work in regular practices, hospitals, clinics full time, and do this as a second job. Often an enterprising office manager will rent an office and offer employment to doctors who are moonlighting for extra money. I think all of them make much more money and much less political/employment risks when a person comes to their office for examinations, compared to 75-100 bucks for their second job appointments. not sure, but that's what I think.  The issue comes when a physician is willing to rec mj the insurance complainees  will no longer work with the physician for payment. I suspect Dr Bob does not accept insurance at his practice ?

[mibrains]

grass -

not sure on doctor Bobs office in particular but as i understand it no insurance company will cover cannabis certifications or medication so regardless of whether or not his office accepts insurance for their primary services they could not bill for cannabis certification anyways.

[Restorium2]

I know several doctors that will review a patient for marijuana consideration. All of them work in regular practices, hospitals, clinics full time, and do this as a second job. Often an enterprising office manager will rent an office and offer employment to doctors who are moonlighting for extra money. I think all of them make much more money and much less political/employment risks when a person comes to their office for examinations, compared to 75-100 bucks for their second job appointments. not sure, but that's what I think.  The issue comes when a physician is willing to rec mj the insurance complainees  will no longer work with the physician for payment. I suspect Dr Bob does not accept insurance at his practice ?

Not true. Unless you are specifically saying the insurance company doesn't pay for the actual MM office call? I know that insurance companies do not distance themselves from all the doctor's activities just because they rec marijuana. 

[mibrains]

correct rest

 

it is typically the health care system they are employed by restricts them from writing certifications not the insurance coverage.

[bobandtorey]

That is why the Doctors don't like it when some insurance company tell them what to do 

[Habenero]

That is why the Doctors don't like it when some insurance company tell them what to do

What is why?

[trichcycler]

The issue comes when a physician is willing to rec mj the insurance complainees will no longer work with the physician for payment.

 

precisely= the insurance companies will not pay for mm recs.  Also, many doctors are practicing and sanctioned by a larger core group, like St Johns for instance. Those groups will have heavy influence towards physicians rec'ng mj also within their office.

[phaquetoo]

ok 1st off I guess I was hard on dr. bob, but I did say if he or the likes were not out there we would not be able to get legal!

 

I know dr. bob does addiction to opoid therapy, which is a very dangerious practice and people actualy need that more than a rec or renew, I do respect him for what he does, I hate going to a different dr to get my renew's, I know why they (primary care dr.s) dont rec or renew, it is because of their employer and ins and rx company's, my primary care dr. actualy renewed me before they moved their office into st. marys and the m.d became part of their staff!  they know I am an mm pt, they dont urine screen me and they write me scripts for things I need to do, including flu shots, head meds, muscle relaxers, etc,  my dr. talks to me about mm all the time, she only has like 5 pt's that are mm pt's, she does'nt hold that against us and also knows that mm is not the cure all, I sure wish it was, my life would be so much easier if I didnt have to take any rx's!

 

After reading what I wrote I am willing to say Sorry Dr. Bob!  I realy didnt mean it like it reads, but it doesnt read well so I am sorry for that,

 

It does not mean im happy though, Im just trying to see 1 dr, I always only seen my back specialist when I lived down state, and even after I moved up here I continued to see my back specialist for at least 5 yrs!  I drove to grosse pointe once a month from houghton lake to go see my dr. and get my rx's, untill I finaly found a dr. up here that would communicate with my back specialist and write all of the scripts my specialist wrote and they communicated with each other, I drove to detroit every month for 5 yrs, you cant imagine the snow storms and stuff I witnessed on the road for that many yrs!

 

I read that dr.'s should not have to cater their practices around mm and I gave my opinion on that comment, which led to my lynching on here bawahahahaha!  I say any mm dr. most def caters their practice around mm and they can only do that and make more cash than they would if they had a brick and mortar building and accepted ins!   They dont have to see pt's who have ins and not cash which lets them set their prices and not take what the ins co's pay and accept that as full payment like my primary dr. does,,,,if a dr. dont take ins there is a reason and it is usualy a selfish reason!

 

Peace

[jointedone]

All they have to do is code it as a physical and the insurance company would pay.Most insurance allow the pt 2 physicals a year,mammograms, butt cancer screening, flu shots. They could do it if they wanted to. Does the State have a list of every DR that has signed an application?  Nobody would know because there would be no records for the DR,just for the pt. I am talking about legit pts like Phaq. How come I can figure that out but they can't? That calls for a Joe Dirt DANG.

[Habenero]

All they have to do is code it as a physical and the insurance company would pay.

If'n they don't mind a little insurance fraud.

[GregS]

Per the Queen's English, you have a couple of options. End your title with 'nads or (and let your wild imagination fill you in where it comes to the site cuss filter) azz!

Edited October 18, 2014 by GregS