Most Efficient And Easiest Way To Extract

[Restorium2]

And the guy running the program doesn't even understand what he is studying;

 

[trichcycler]

I've understood that this facility is ordered to use all of the plant materials (above ground) when preparing their marijuana cigarettes and potency tests. I wondered what my Ghost Train Haze 26%'r would test at if I used all of the leaves with the buds, ground up and sent in for a test? Somebody needs to tell them to feed the leaves to the bunnies and provide only buds.

[Restorium2]

I've understood that this facility is ordered to use all of the plant materials (above ground) when preparing their marijuana cigarettes and potency tests. I wondered what my Ghost Train Haze 26%'r would test at if I used all of the leaves with the buds, ground up and sent in for a test? Somebody needs to tell them to feed the leaves to the bunnies and provide only buds.

So then you admit it was a very weak article to post when discussing the reality of terpenes?

[trichcycler]

Nope, not one bit. but I did expect the feeding of the troll to occur. yummy for resto.

 

There is valid and good info there to be had. sorry you missed it trying to discredit me. I expect you to continue feeding though, at my expense. EAT THIs LOL!!!

[Restorium2]

Nope, not one bit. but I did expect the feeding of the troll to occur. yummy for resto.

 

There is valid and good info there to be had. sorry you missed it trying to discredit me. I expect you to continue feeding though, at my expense. EAT THIs LOL!!!

Spoken like a 7 year old. The article was totally bogus from the beginning to the end. It's like a cannabis satire article. No valid info. It's all about what their findings show. When we agree they can't have valid findings because they have weak samples to start with. 

[trichcycler]

I'd be butt hurt too if I just came to the realization that my own concentrate is 25% less effective than it could be. 25% less medicinal qualities, 25% less effective, and 25% of its miracle is missing. I'd be bummed if this was me, and would strive to learn ways to properly produce without losing 25% of the active ingredients. just because you and your patients cannot notice the shorting does not mean others may or may not need those shorted items. get over it, move along, or come up with a MORE EFFICIENT way to extract perhaps. But for the sake of saving  face consider ceasing your relentless attempts at discrediting everyone that does not agree with you. This is crude, documented and immature, like a tantrum here daily. get over yourself, move along, help some patients maybe, this is what I suggest to you. take it or leave it pal, but you need some healing. the best way I know of is to extend kindness forward. you can take that to the bank.

Your concentrate has been weighed and measured resto, by yourself, and found wanting. I am truly sorry for this revelation my friend. BUUUaaHHHAAAaa

[zachw]

The terpenes "tailor" the effects by enhancing, muting and multiplying different effects.  It IS the entourage effect.

 

Not to mention being critical for the smell & taste.

 

(BTW I've seen it used for a few years now, but wonder WHO is the source of using "entourage" to mean "synergistic"?? I mean, we already had a perfectly good word and someone started to use a term that was almost exclusively used to mean "personal attendants".)

[zachw]

Have you ever seen what they grow there?

 

I'm surprised it has even trace amounts of terpenes. Looks like garf to me. I bet what I grow has quantities of terpenes that far outnumber what theirs has. Like what I said, what you bring to the party starts with what you grew. All samples are not equal to begin with. If I grew cannabis that weak I would be very careful with it because it doesn't bring much to the party. 

 

I remember reading that they supply pre-rolls to a handful of patients and that the THC content is something like 3 or 4%.

 

But they supposedly have also grown a strain with 37% THC! 

[+Malamute]

7% thc

[DavidMcGhee]

I disagree that butane is the only solvent with a low enough boiling point to leave terpenes behind.  I have not got it tested but definitely recognize the smell when I make oil with Isopropyl alcohol and space dawg.  I can smell the terpenes in all the oils I make but I don't boil off the iso I keep it at about 140 for the 12 hours it takes to heat it off.  The final purge hits 200+ but still keeps the terpenes.  And cnsidering the boiling point of some terpenes is higher than the boiling point for THC and CBD I'd think that those terpenes would not be boiled off unless the THC abd CBD were also boiled off.  Maybe my confusion is in the phrase "the only solvent that boils off low enough to keep ALL the terpenes".

 

And a counter distiller and everclear seems to be the safest for medibles considering anything left behind is edible.  I just started using this method with my cannatonic since I only make medibles from it and it's easy to decarb visually and it's a pain to trim, win win.  So if you need to decarb your oil it seems the tamisium looses value in that situation?

 

I did not say or mean it is the only solvent that leaves terpenes behind. It is the only solvent we consider safe that leaves the terpenes behind. It is the lowest boiling point solvent that lends itself to being recovered pump free using distillation. Isobutane is 2nd choice because butane is more selective in what it targets. IF that were not the case iso would be better. A lot of solvents extract and leave behind terpenes but the lower the boiling point during removal the better. But if you go too low then you have to use a pump. That is not a reach in making that statement.

Edited May 24, 2016 by DavidMcGhee

[DavidMcGhee]

I agree. And even if your extraction gets up to the boiling point of alcohol there are still plenty of terpenes left behind. I can taste and smell them. So can others. 

 You guys are right but we are talking about the very aromatic lighter terpenes as the target here. Isoprenes can form very light terpenes that are linear or rings and can stack many times and get heavier as they do. Those are boiled away at higher temps.

Smelling can be a way to see what is present and with very acute senses you can be somewhat accurate but nothing compared to an assay from a quantitative analysis. The whole point is that this post is asking a question about what is best efficient and easy and to be the best you have to shed some light on the science in the process. the various boiling points of these terpenes determines the approach we must take. Mostly because of the polarity of the solvent and target. Other than a BA process or base acid wash this is the method employed. And a Base Acid wash would still be done after it is in liquid phase. All these solvent choices are critical to ensuring the target is not lost in all those processes.

[DavidMcGhee]

I hear you. but then some can prove that concentrates are actually legal if they are a preparation thereof cannabis. If they have plant material within they are covered. Without post filtration plant material remains in most extractions. I can see some right now.

 

There are several types of extractions to consider also. A simple shake over a screen produces a viable concentrate. When we smoke or vaporize I believe we are simply and crudely extracting active compounds with heat. when we squish buds with a hair curler to get the oil out, same thing.

 

for thought;

 

Planting more than 12 per registration is illegal too, we talk about that, instructions included

Applying Eagle to your medicinal cannabis is also illegal, and we thoroughly discuss those actions here too.

Dispensaries are thought to be illegal and we recommend them by name and location often.

Trading/selling clones, seeds is also not covered and we openly discuss it  often.

Growing and possessing cannabis in MI remains illegal, be safe

 

 

Are cannabis CBD extractions illegal? I thought they were legal in all 50 states. Understanding how to target legal chemicals and avoid illegal chemicals is important to that process of staying legal. The laws are changing every year. I was driving with a customer in NOCAL about 5 years ago and he was very discreet all the time. I made the comment that soon the police will be stopping traffic for a truck transporting MJ or CBD.. Now they do. They guard transporters and money as it is moved from place to place. It is a normal process evolving into a normal thing. Just like many other plants and chemicals before. They come and go.

[DavidMcGhee]

DavidMcGhee

 

Would you be so kind to expound on the use and reclaim(complete removal?) of D-Limonene as a solvent when extracting essential oils from a flower?

 

Thank you for your help, much appreciated.

 

I dont think you can because the DL bonds to strongly with the np chemicals it mixes with. It would have to be used for something that is not effected by the orange odor. DL is made from oranges or orange peels and is very strong aromatically. It is not toxic but hard to remove. I think you would have to perform a BA wash or something similar. It would not be worth the trouble though. There are other better choices for what DL would be used for.

 

What I used it for were sep washes where the DL was used to collect the trash and then thrown away. It was used in place of naphtha or hexane.

Edited March 26, 2016 by DavidMcGhee

[mibrains]

I buy and use stok brand Nbutane from amazon.

 

$5 per can.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MCXEQ3U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Great results.

 

I just began using essential oils this past December.

 

I now use a pulsar Sirius vape pen and have only smoked cannabis once in the past 30 days.

 

http://www.pulsarvaporizers.com/vaporizers/pulsar-sirius-wax-vaporizer-kit-asst

 

I love vaporizing and plan on using this pen for the foreseeable future.

 

I am very interested in the tamisium recapture process and would like to thank you David for taking the time to present your information.

[Restorium2]

I dont think you can because the DL bonds to strongly with the np chemicals it mixes with. It would have to be used for something that is not effected by the orange odor. DL is made from oranges or orange peels and is very strong aromatically. It is not toxic but hard to remove. I think you would have to perform a BA wash or something similar. It would not be worth the trouble though. There are other better choices for what DL would be used for.

 

What I used it for were sep washes where the DL was used to collect the trash and then thrown away. It was used in place of naphtha or hexane.

Similar results as winterizing and filtering? 

[phaquetoo]

I buy and use stok brand Nbutane from amazon.

 

$5 per can.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MCXEQ3U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Great results.

 

I just began using essential oils this past December.

 

I now use a pulsar Sirius vape pen and have only smoked cannabis once in the past 30 days.

 

http://www.pulsarvaporizers.com/vaporizers/pulsar-sirius-wax-vaporizer-kit-asst

 

I love vaporizing and plan on using this pen for the foreseeable future.

 

I am very interested in the tamisium recapture process and would like to thank you David for taking the time to present your information.

I get my tane from a local hydro shop, many choices, I also just purchased this realy cool glass extraction tube, it hold less than an oz and only needs one can of tane,  I found my dosage lol,  so it dont matter if I only get a few grm's each time, it last me, i mostly eat bho, cannabutter is quickly becoming my favorite though, The only thing about the butter is I have to do laps around the block or blocks so I dont get fat from it lol!

 

Peace

[trichcycler]

DavidMcGhee,

 

any thought on heating flowers/vessel, heating butter/vessel, pressurizing butter vessel, and extracting?  Seems like a good way to avoid the

common chlorophyll mess of "cooking" items together. I see some loss retained in the flowers, but still...wonder if viable.

also will the o rings maintain seal @  212 f, with steam distillation or above for example?

 

thanks!

Edited April 6, 2016 by grassmatch

[in vivo]

Rather than pick apart some of the problems with the tami (design, brass fittings, hinged clamps, quick connects) I figured I'd attempt to bring another option to the table. Below is a priced out system that not only costs less, but could do more, operate faster/safer, and is entirely inclusive in terms of what a person would need to get started. I have no association with the listed sources, but they're likely to be the cheapest. Share if you find otherwise.

 

Things this list will include:

cls

storage tank for solvent

stainless steel ptfe lined high pressure hoses

vacuum pump

purging chamber/vacuum oven

heat source

n-butane

 

Things you'll need:

air compressor to pressure test the cls

wrench

container large enough to hold cls/storage tank with ice (dry ice is best, regular ice will suffice)

Blue Monster ptfe tape

 

The first thing to consider might be the amount of material that is consistently needing to be processed. Let's say 2oz of material. So we'll look for a material column/spool that fits our requirements:

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/spools.html

http://www.glaciertanks.com/TriClamp_Product_304_316-Spools-1_-4-1.html

 

Looks like a 1.5”x12” (60-90g capacity) spool will work. - $21-$24

 

An end cap for the top of the material column. I like the shower head design.

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/1-5x1-4-shower.html - $55

 

In addition to the material column a base/collection pot is needed. The larger the base the more solvent that can be safely contained within it, and the faster the solvent can be recovered.

 

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/closedbase6x6.html - $138

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/closedbase-8x12.html - $170

 

I'd almost prefer an 8”x8” or 8”x10”, but they aren't currently available.

 

An end cap, or top for the collection base is needed:

http://www.glaciertanks.com/TriClamp_Product_304_316-Special_End_Caps.html $99-$119

 

I like this one for the 8” base:

http://www.glaciertanks.com/End_Cap_Reducers-End_Cap_Reducer_4_TC_x_2_TC_Reducer_SS304_1_4_1.html $119

 

I listed the larger collection pot based on what I'm seeing for pricing and options for end caps. You're probably going to want to be able to see into your collection base and there are more options for that with the 8”. Again, the larger base will also allow for faster recovery of solvent as well. It also allows for upgrading to a larger material column if need be.

 

Sight glass (optional route for 8” base):

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/polycarb-sg-2.html - $39

 

 

Each connection between tri-clamp parts require a gasket and clamp to attach the parts together. High pressure clamps are recommended.

 

A gasket and hp clamp in these sizes (for 8” lid linked)

1.5” (x2)

2”

8”

 

http://www.glaciertanks.com/TriClamp_Gaskets-VITON_Gaskets.html - $28.40

http://www.glaciertanks.com/TriClamp_Product_304_316-High_Pressure_Clamps_TC.html - $93.01

 

The bottom of the material column will have a mesh filter gasket:

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/1-5gasket-150mesh.html - $23

 

 

The endcap will also have a pressure gauge:

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/comound-gauge-1-4npt.html - $25

 

 

A tri-clamp ball valve can also be added, but not absolutely necessary:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-5-OD-38MM-Sanitary-stainless-steel-3-Piece-ball-valve-SS304-Triclamp-/161924241483?hash=item25b36fd84b:g:4GcAAOSw0HVWBQqf

 

 

You'll need two 1/4” npt ball valves (end cap for material column & lid for collection pot).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-Stainless-Steel-316-Ball-Valve-2pc-Heavy-Duty-2000WOG-/111159711467?hash=item19e1a296eb:g:hmkAAOSwx-9WxgR5 - $43.5

 

Two ptfe stainless steel hoses to connect the solvent tank and vacuum pump to cls are required. Two 5' lengths are plenty long and could possibly get by with shorter depending on setup.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ZHZYES/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_2 - $97.20

 

Solvent tank is needed. A 15lb tank would suffice but the 30lb tanks appear to be cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00BEFNPHA/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

$93

 

A vacuum pump is required for running the cls as well as the vacuum chamber/oven. I'm linking this but you might find cheaper options elsewhere.

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/3cfmpump.html - $99

 

A vacuum chamber/oven is required to fully purge the preparation of solvent (though a person could use their collection pot in a pinch):

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/3qtf-sv.html - $90

 

The vacuum chamber and cls will also need a heat source:

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/heatpad9inch.html - $103

 

Butane is also obviously required. 14lbs would last a person running this setup quite a while, a person could also get by buying less tane in cans along with a can tapper:

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/r600-15lbs.html $140

 

 

About $1,240, minus about $130 with the 6” base without sight glass, for everything needed. Importantly, this setup is easily interchangeable in terms of material columns. One top flush with about 1.5# of tane per 2oz of material should be more than sufficient. My guess is you could passively recover that from the 8” base in less than 30min setting the temp to about 65-75F. The whole process might take you about an hour, maybe less. Then into the vacuum chamber..

 

This setup would be safer, cheaper, and would run circles around a tami.

 

Here's how you might run it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIJwz4q0xJg

 

 

I hope this helps just one person to level up from open blasting.

[t-pain]

if i was going to make a system it would be pro blender + ice masher + steam distiller / ice hash recovery.

 

only solvent would be dry ice / water / ice.

 

or maybe co2. wonder if its possible to make your own food-grade co2 collector?

[trichcycler]

if i was going to make a system it would be pro blender + ice masher + steam distiller / ice hash recovery.

 

only solvent would be dry ice / water / ice.

 

or maybe co2. wonder if its possible to make your own food-grade co2 collector?

anything is possible, but this would not be profitable. have you seen one of those homemade co2 units in action?  oily hissing mess, giant frozen ball of water/lube in end catch. these pumps use oil, good luck figuring out how to build the one that doesnt. would be cool though. i ran from the one I watched, and would never use anybodies c02 xtract today. Maybe from the 10k lab unit I saw , but thats it.

[Blkwlf]

I'm VERY new to all of this but know that nothing to do with cannabis is legal in all 50 states let alone extractions aka oils. Anyhow, my 1st attempt at RSO was a flop!! I'm intersted because I can't smoke the bud due to scarring in my lungs and bronchil tubes. I used the grain alcohol with 2 oz of strictly bud trim, shake from bud & sm buds fully cured in mason jars. I measured out 2 oz, added the grain alcohol, aggitated it vigorously for 20+ minutes, poured off the liquid and squeezed out the remaining liquid from the plant material. It didn't have much color. I then heated it on a coffee maker heat plate for about 5 hours checking it very often. Some did end up burning on the bottom of the pot but I was able to scrape the rest out. Within less than 2 minutes of being off the heat it turned into a semi hardened mass much like tar which would barely fill a 1 cc/ml syringe if it wasn't so hardened. A You Tube video I saw showed much the same process except the use of only bud ground up. That person put it through a 2nd alcohol extraction process though both of her's were for less time and much less aggitation. She then used a larger pot on the stove with water at near boil and a 2nd pan ( frying pan ) in which she poured the alcohol mixture. In about 30 minutes she had a very nice, deep greenish brown oil which she drew into syringes. Is the direct heat source what went wrong? I can't imagine, even if I could get 3-4 gr from an ounce as suggested in the video, at the $25/gr aka 1 cc/ml ( suggested sales amount by someone who makes it often ) I'd be losing $50-$100/oz if I was inclined to sell to a patient and that's not taking in the added costs of the alcohol, syringes & other needed supplies. FYI The bud trim, bud shake & sm bud used was from the same very good quality Critical Sensi Star, Original Kush, Green Crack, Pineapple Express, Critical + & Death Star buds provided to my patients. I used a mixture of strains & didn't use full bud for my 1st try in case I messed up but even what I used was quite sticky. I know there are a lot of ???? here. I'd appreciate some insights. I intend only to do small batches for myself so am not interested in a complex system. TYVM Blkwlf

[Radar5756]

I use Indiana grain alcohol and a rice cooker. I learned to make RSO from Rick Simpson's site. First batch was a flop. This last batch I decarboxylation first by putting the Cannabis in the oven for 4 minutes at 175degrees before I rinsed with alcohol. The final product was good. Best part is rice for dinner

[phaquetoo]

I see a couple more replys, and wanted to thank you all! Think it may be best for me to just stick with bubble bags. I don't hear or see any method that seems "head and shoulders" above them, as far as yield or quality, so we will stick with what we got, and know about.

personaly  I prefer bubble hash over keif hash, as far as bho or oil, wax, shatter, I have never tried any of the wax or shatter from a despense and dont plan on it, I have made bho and make sure I do it in a safe, electric, gas an shock free place to extract, never never do it in your home or attached garage, PLEASE!  I have been making butane honey oil since I seen a recipe in high times in like 1979, I have always used the utmost caution while extracting, and always make sure to get all of the butane out before using or allowing some one to use it,

 

I started to mix my oil in peanut butter and eating it, Its awsome!

 

lately I make cannabutter, I like to mix different spices in it, I never bake with it, I eat it on toast, english muffins, left over vegie's, potatoes or any thing you would normaly put butter on,  dont microwave the butter, just cook your food of choice and put the butter on after, make sure it is hot enough (food) you dont want to put it in the micro wave after you put the cannabutter on it!

 

Cannabutter is easy, safe and works wonders for me!

 

Peace

[Blkwlf]

By Jjamh March 20,2016:

I am confused why this forum would allow post on instructions to make extracts or concentrates as they are clearly ill eagle and not covered under our mmj act. It seems this would be comparable to an instructional on making a meth lab or pipe bombs. Steep comparison, I know but really, how can we be taken seriously if we promote ill eagle activities? I'm not saying don't extract, I'm staying it's brainless to promote ill eagle activity then turn around and ask the public to take us seriously as a legal entity? Not to mention this seems like a commercial for this persons product.

 

 

Jjamh: I personally consider this forum as a place where like minded people can openly discuss topics related to Medical Marijuana. There is nothing illegal about discussing a process, a product or the making of a product whether that process/product is legal or illegal. The discussion and haring of information about it is not.

 

I apologize for not using the quote feature but I haven't been able to make it work. Blkwlf

[Wild Bill]